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To: Havoc
Again, thanks for making my point for me: vision = “to see, to perceive with the eyes, to perceive by any of the senses, to perceive, notice, discern, discover to see (i.e. to turn the eyes, the mind, the attention to anything), to pay attention, to observe, to see about something ( i.e. to ascertain what must be done about it ), to inspect, examine, to look at, behold, to experience any state or condition, to see, to have an interview with, to visit”. Nothing about ghostly visitations there!

Squirm, squirm all you like — it's easier than admitting that you were wrong!

However, since you do refuse to humbly admit to your error, it's obvious that no amount of discussion will serve any purpose; you know it all, and no one can tell you differently. Therefore, I will cease toying with you as of this post.

Relax and enjoy your homemade religion, O Pope Havoc. Rest secure in the knowledge that you and only you can rightly discern Christian truth.

580 posted on 03/20/2004 4:52:13 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: B-Chan
Um, you are trying to define it as an english term. The scripture defines it with the term understood by the state of Being of the Greek. The definition you're trying to foist upon the Greek does not fit. That is why the word Vision was chosen for the special meaning. Vision as in A Vision. Hint, it's the same word used here: 18:9 Then spake the Lord to Paul in the night by a vision, Be not afraid , but speak, and hold not thy peace:

I would submit and have submitted it is you and yours who are and have been twisting. God was wise enough to put a brick wall up in your path. And it is evident to all of us the efforts you are making to get around it. You can't. Deal with it.
585 posted on 03/20/2004 5:03:44 PM PST by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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