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I'm not the one trying to retranslate the passage, Dave.
I didn't note that the word has a secondary meaning - you guys did. I'm not the one arguying to change the translation. You guys are. It is YOPIOS or need I remind you that is exactly what you charged me with for noting that a Greek conjunctive could be translated other ways while I also noted that I would not presume to do so. Can't have it both ways Dave. You guys are arguing the change, not I. It is your burden to prove it. So you can stop trying to put it off on me and prove your own argument.

If you would not presume to question the translation of that or any word in the bible, why did you bother to learn the Greek to begin with? If the translation itself is sacrosanct, why bother to consider the original language? And if the original Greek word (having two meanings) was translated into an English word (having multiple meanings), how do you presume to command that only ONE sense of that English word can be the correct one?

1. a. The faculty of sight; eyesight: poor vision.
1. b. Something that is or has been seen.
2. Unusual competence in discernment or perception; intelligent foresight: a leader of vision.
3. The manner in which one sees or conceives of something.
4. A mental image produced by the imagination.
5. The mystical experience of seeing as if with the eyes the supernatural or a supernatural being.
6. A person or thing of extraordinary beauty.

In other words, you interpret 'vision' to have only the meaning in item 5, and NO OTHER meaning (especially the more logical assumption at 1.b., also the most common Greek usage).

Where do you get the authority to do that? From where do you get the gall to command this?