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Anti-Firearms Letter From Berkeley
Email from Berkeley
| March 18th, 2004
| "C_____ J. W______" <c_____@berkeley.edu>
Posted on 03/18/2004 1:43:47 PM PST by Travis McGee
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This email was sent to me, concerning the quotes by the Founding Fathers which I have posted on the "Enemies Foreign and Domestic" website's home page. It sounds as if CJW hasn't read the book beyond the home page. She included the quotes in her email to me, but then doesn't address them, beyond,
"I don't think the "foundering fathers" had AK-47 or automatic weapons on their minds when they gave American citizens the right to bare arms or when you quoted these individuals to sale your book."This is the email I sent back to her at Berkeley:
C______:
You fall into some of the basic traps of those who think that preventing the private ownership of arms will lead to a safer society. For example, your point about muskets being so much safer is totally wrong. When you factor in the medical care available in the musket era, muskets were MORE dangerous than today's rifles. Any wound at all with a musket usually led to a death in screaming agony in minutes to days. At best, limbs were amputated, and more than half of the time, they died anyway, also in screaming agony with no anesthesia. Today, bullet wounds are usually patched up in the majority of cases, with modern surgery, antibiotics, and anesthetics. So your "muskets were kind and gentle" argument is totally incorrect.
Even in 1780, folks owned "blunderbusses" for shooting geese, and for stopping robbers, rioters, and mutineers. A blunderbuss could fire over 100 chunks of rusty iron in one shot, and could be reloaded rapidly via the wide muzzle. Yet no one worried about someone attacking a picnic or workplace with a blunderbuss. What changed, the deadliness of weaopons, or society? I think the latter.
As far as examples of societies where only the government owned modern weapons, and the people were disarmed, I give you Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia, China etc. The Jews who were herded onto trucks and trains in Nazi Germany by a handful of police and soldiers were sent away easily ONLY after they had been disarmed, according to German law. In the Warsaw Ghetto in 1943, Jews used a handful of hidden firearms to begin a rebellion, and used those weapons to win German weapons, and they held out against the force of the German army for months. If all of the German Jews had disobeyed German law and kept their firearms, and resisted at every step, the Nazi holocaust of the Jews could not have happened, based on the Warsaw experience.
I hope you look more deeply into this subject. I urge you to check out this site: "Self Defense is a Basic Human Right. http://www.a-human-right.com/introduction.html
Sincerely,
Matt Bracken
To: *bang_list; archy; Eaker; Squantos; Mulder; Noumenon; Shooter 2.5; ExSoldier; Beelzebubba; ...
BANG!
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posted on
03/18/2004 1:45:30 PM PST
by
Travis McGee
(----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
To: Travis McGee
LOL. If nothing else, she might learn something from looking at Oleg's pics.
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posted on
03/18/2004 1:46:10 PM PST
by
glock rocks
(YES, I question your patriotism, J F'n K.)
To: Travis McGee
I don't think the "foundering fathers" had AK-47 or automatic weapons on their minds when they gave American citizens the right to bare arms or when you quoted these individuals to sale your book.Yep, it's from Berkeley. Looks like they need to not only study up on the 2nd Amendment, but a little spelling and grammar.
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posted on
03/18/2004 1:48:01 PM PST
by
ladtx
( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
To: Travis McGee
This week three American citizens were killed with AK-47 in Iraq. Do you think they may have bought these guns from the US. Yeah, they got the SCUDs from us as well.
Rolls eyes.
To: Travis McGee
Do you think these people love their families less than Americans.They strap bombs to their kids, don't they?
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posted on
03/18/2004 1:48:28 PM PST
by
gundog
To: Travis McGee
Good job. You might also want to see if this Leftist can explain why "the People" means
the People in every Amendment to the Constitution
except the Second Amendment.
Our founding fathers knew exactly what they were doing when they crafted the Second Amendment. They knew what life was like when the People served (and feared) the Government. They sought to establish from the start that the Government should serve (and fear) the People.
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posted on
03/18/2004 1:49:26 PM PST
by
Prime Choice
(Hm? No, my powers can only be used for Good.)
Comment #8 Removed by Moderator
To: Travis McGee
Current data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics:
WEAPON RELATED VIOLENT CRIME:
Not sure if a weapon used = 6%
Total NON-FIREARM = 17%
Total FIREARM = 9% (from Saturday Night Special to Atomic Cannon)
NO WEAPON USED = 68%!
Where is the concern for the 68%?
To: Travis McGee
Ah yes. Another fine Berkeley education in progress.
Should have these kids draw-up their own constitution. Bet it would be interesting to see what they'd put in there.
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posted on
03/18/2004 1:51:48 PM PST
by
VeniVidiVici
(Democrats want to ban sex with animals! They may get hurt!)
To: Travis McGee
This week three American citizens were killed with AK-47 in Iraq. Do you think they may have bought these guns from the US.No. Only communist governments used and produced the AK-47.
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posted on
03/18/2004 1:51:50 PM PST
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
To: ladtx
Yup...I recall in a "wizard of Id" when Sir Rodney informed the King that the peasants were demanding the right to bear arms...the King said, "Rip off their sleeves."
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posted on
03/18/2004 1:51:56 PM PST
by
gundog
To: Travis McGee
Well, Matthew B., you penned quite a noble reply to the Bezerkley bimbette. I do hope she reads it and replies to you.
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posted on
03/18/2004 1:52:38 PM PST
by
onyx
(Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold.)
To: Travis McGee
I don't think the "foundering fathers" had AK-47 or automatic weapons on their minds when they gave American citizens the right to bare arms or when you quoted these individuals to sale your book. That's true, but then again, assuming you could afford them, every "military" weapon available was available to the general public. Cannons, for instance. I've seen old pictures and drawings of private residences with cannons in the yard, among other things.
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posted on
03/18/2004 1:53:05 PM PST
by
Who dat?
To: Travis McGee
I don't think the "foundering fathers" had satellite communications or the Internet or high-speed printing presses on their minds when they gave American citizens the right to freedom of the press.
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posted on
03/18/2004 1:54:34 PM PST
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
To: Travis McGee
Claire J. Wolfe is from Berkeley? Who would have thought! And that she thinks this way about firearms? Imagine!
Just kidding.
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posted on
03/18/2004 1:55:10 PM PST
by
coloradan
(Hence, etc.)
To: Travis McGee
Boy, what a moron. About the level of spelling and punctuation I'd expect from Berkeley, though.
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posted on
03/18/2004 1:55:23 PM PST
by
Sloth
(We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
To: Travis McGee
By my screen name you can obviously tell where I stand on this issue. I live in the great land of Kansas where we can carry concealed weapons now.
This man is an idiot and has know logical basis for any of arguments. The fire arms held in Iraq were most likely smuggled from other terrorist countries. Perhaps they were traded for the war-heads that we can't find.
Take away my gun and you take away my right to protect myself. If bad guys have guns now, who's going to go out and take them from them when the rest of us aren't allowed to own guns. Maybe I should go out and buy a musket. Actually, I would probably have a greater chance of killing myself with a musket than an attacker.
This man is obviously as un-American as the rest of the left.
To: Travis McGee
bare armspublik skul graduite graduette gradute LOSER!
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posted on
03/18/2004 1:58:24 PM PST
by
IYAS9YAS
(Go Fast, Turn Left!)
To: VeniVidiVici
Equal and full protection rights for ants.
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posted on
03/18/2004 1:59:16 PM PST
by
Trillian
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