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In '72 speech, a different kind of Kerry. (** Criticized Nixon for seeking early return of POWs!!**)
The Dartmouth Online ^ | Friday, March 5, 2004 | By Matthew Kelly, The Dartmouth Staff

Posted on 03/16/2004 5:40:05 PM PST by VadeRetro

Probable Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry will likely face a challenge on the left from Ralph Nader soon, but 32 years ago, Kerry showered his possible electoral spoiler with praise in a speech at the College. Kerry implored Dartmouth students "to be their own Ralph Nader" in opposing the Vietnam War, urging the audience to "break the cycle of non-involvement."

Kerry, who had recently served as president of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, spoke on Jan. 10, 1972 at the Top of the Hop, where he urged students and Americans who opposed the Vietnam War to involve themselves in politics with greater zeal. Regarding Ralph Nader, Kerry said that opponents of the war "must be public citizens in every aspect of our lives," as Kerry apparently thought Nader did.

Kerry also took then-controversial positions relating to those who fled the draft. He favored "amnesty and repatriation" for deserters and draft dodgers, although he doubted that Americans would accept his stance. In order to convince the country to give amnesty to deserters, Kerry proposed repatriation contingent on some sort of national service.

Although Kerry's remarks were controversial at the time, Russell Caplan '72, former executive editor of The Dartmouth, said time has healed many of the scars of Vietnam.

Indeed, President Jimmy Carter followed through on a campaign promise just a day after his inauguration by granting a pardon to those who avoided the draft by either not registering or avoiding the war.

Kerry has shrewdly avoided publicly criticizing President Bush's National Guard service, which some critics of the president have dismissed as akin to draft dodging. But, Kerry has no doubt benefited from the sharp contrast between their Vietnam experiences.

"I've never made any judgments about any choice somebody made about avoiding the draft, about going to Canada, going to jail, being a conscientious objector, going into the National Guard," Kerry told Fox News recently. "Those are choices people make."

Caplan said that Dartmouth as a whole was largely divided on the issue of the Vietnam War during his time. On the one hand, Larry Adelman '73, the author of the article, was a "rabid peace activist who would wear anti-war armbands to class." On the pro-war side, the group Students Behind Dartmouth was formed in 1968 to counterbalance liberal activists.

Although the College was split roughly 50-50 on the issue of the war, Caplan said that the campus never approached experiencing riots on the scale of those that paralyzed Columbia University in 1968.

"Dartmouth didn't do that because it had more of a conservative student body and alumni, and it was in an isolated location and easier to contain," Caplan said.

In his 1972 speech, Kerry lashed at then-President Richard Nixon, claiming that he was personally responsible for over 130,000 Vietnam casualties a month, although Kerry also predicted reelection. He also criticized Nixon for trying to request the return of prisoners of war before the war ended. Ironically, Kerry has worked with Arizona Sen. John McCain on lingering Vietnam POW/MIA issues during their time in the Senate.

Kerry had vaulted into the national spotlight after testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations committee in 1971, where he famously asked, "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?" This quote was featured in the upper right corner of The Dartmouth, where editors would normally place humorous one-liners, according to Caplan.

The Kerry campaign declined to comment Thursday.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1972; 2004; kerry; nixon; pow; powmia; veterans
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To: cyncooper
The POWs and the VVAW-Fonda types were not on the same side. The more I think about it, the uglier it gets.
21 posted on 03/16/2004 6:43:43 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: vbmoneyspender
Kerry made the speech on 10 Jan 72. The North Vietnamese attacked in force during Easter of 72. The South Vietnamese were never given all the supplies they were promised. In fact we never even replentish all the ammunition they fired up in the 1972 Easter Offensive. I talked to one Vietnamese Captain I knew who was trying to hold a bridge just north of Saigon in 1975. He only had about 30 rounds of 5.56 mm ammunition for his entire company, not per man but for the entire company. We totally sold the Vietnamese out. We had promised them air support if they were attacked again. It never came.
22 posted on 03/16/2004 6:47:07 PM PST by U S Army EOD (The last person to die for a mistake in Vietnam, should have been Ho Chi Minh)
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To: U S Army EOD
Alright. Then you explain to me what possible reason Kerry could have had for not wanting our POWS returned? The only explanation I can come up with is the one I posted, which, by the way, jibes with Kerry's strident opposition to the support America was giving to South Vietnam.
23 posted on 03/16/2004 6:54:00 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: Pearls Before Swine
lol
24 posted on 03/16/2004 6:54:29 PM PST by ConservativeMan55 (There is no problem so great that it cannot be solved with high powered explosives.)
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To: randog
HOW....WHERE ..... DID KERRY GET HIS OFFICER'S COMMISSION???
25 posted on 03/16/2004 6:57:56 PM PST by pointsal
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To: vbmoneyspender
He felt like they were war criminals and should be kept in prison. That is what he was preaching on the campus. He could have cared less about giving Nixon a free hand. This was popular with the students at that time.
26 posted on 03/16/2004 6:58:52 PM PST by U S Army EOD (The last person to die for a mistake in Vietnam, should have been Ho Chi Minh)
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To: pointsal
Think "Cracker-Jack box!"
27 posted on 03/16/2004 6:59:42 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: U S Army EOD
He felt like they were war criminals and should be kept in prison. That is what he was preaching on the campus.

Your post literally made me sick to my stomach.

I've said before and I'll say again, could it be some good will come of these revelations and some of the record set straight once and for all?

28 posted on 03/16/2004 7:02:29 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: U S Army EOD
I'd like to see the actual quote somewhere. I don't really doubt that he said it, but an article that says that he said it, without a quote, isn't going to cut it.
29 posted on 03/16/2004 7:03:00 PM PST by squidly (I have always felt that a politician is to be judged by the animosity he excites among his opponents)
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To: squidly
If he wants to deny it, let him. There should be a preponderance of evidence one way or another.

But he should be called upon to explain. Is it true? If it is, why was Nixon wrong to seek an early return of POWs?
30 posted on 03/16/2004 7:08:46 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: redlipstick
Don't want you to miss this curious stance of Kerry's. Read posts for some offered rationale.

And it ain't pretty.

If he did oppose an early return of POWs, that is.
31 posted on 03/16/2004 7:11:22 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper; squidly
Well Jane Fonda and the likes certainly said it. In fact she said it right to the pilots' faces in Hanoi. I can't give you an actual quote from Kerry except from his testimony before congress of all the war crimes what we were committing on a daily bases. I feel sure that he included the pilots in this. Of course not all the guys in the prisons were pilots. I will try and do a little research for you and see if I can't find where he included the air campaign. I was there and lived through those times and was a lot closer to it in the EOD mode than most.
32 posted on 03/16/2004 7:14:11 PM PST by U S Army EOD (The last person to die for a mistake in Vietnam, should have been Ho Chi Minh)
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To: U S Army EOD
I was there and lived through those times and was a lot closer to it in the EOD mode than most.

Thank you for your service.

33 posted on 03/16/2004 7:15:34 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: VadeRetro; Hon; backhoe; doug from upland
ping
34 posted on 03/16/2004 7:16:33 PM PST by GailA (Millington Rally for America after action http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/872519/posts)
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To: cyncooper
Thanks for the thank you, but I am still serving and still after Kerry and the Vietnam Veterans Against the War and the other anti-American groups.
35 posted on 03/16/2004 7:30:08 PM PST by U S Army EOD (The last person to die for a mistake in Vietnam, should have been Ho Chi Minh)
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To: cyncooper; mountaineer
Cyn, mountaineer had a link to an absolutely DEVASTATING article about Kerry and his "investigating committee" yesterday.

Mountaineer, do you still have that link?
36 posted on 03/17/2004 1:50:57 PM PST by Howlin (Bush has claimed two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Howlin
This story really is worthy of your prodigious ping list.

Senator Covered Up Evidence of P.O.W.'s Left Behind: When John Kerry's Courage Went M.I.A., by Sydney H. Schanberg, published in the (seriously left wing) Village Voice. Here's an excerpt:

Senator John Kerry, a decorated battle veteran, was courageous as a navy lieutenant in the Vietnam War. But he was not so courageous more than two decades later, when he covered up voluminous evidence that a significant number of live American prisoners—perhaps hundreds—were never acknowledged or returned after the war-ending treaty was signed in January 1973.

The Massachusetts senator, now seeking the presidency, carried out this subterfuge a little over a decade ago— shredding documents, suppressing testimony, and sanitizing the committee's final report—when he was chairman of the Senate Select Committee on P.O.W./ M.I.A. Affairs. ...

What did Kerry do in furtherance of the cover-up? An overview would include the following: He allied himself with those carrying it out by treating the Pentagon and other prisoner debunkers as partners in the investigation instead of the targets they were supposed to be. In short, he did their bidding. When Defense Department officials were coming to testify, Kerry would have his staff director, Frances Zwenig, meet with them to "script" the hearings—as detailed in an internal Zwenig memo leaked by others. Zwenig also advised North Vietnamese officials on how to state their case. Further, Kerry never pushed or put up a fight to get key government documents unclassified; he just rolled over, no matter how obvious it was that the documents contained confirming data about prisoners. Moreover, after promising to turn over all committee records to the National Archives when the panel concluded its work, the senator destroyed crucial intelligence information the staff had gathered—to to keep the documents from becoming public. He refused to subpoena past presidents and other key witnesses. ...

37 posted on 03/17/2004 2:37:18 PM PST by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer
I was stunned when I read that thing yesterday. Just floored. He did everything he could to STOP that investigation.

Do you think we could post that whole thing as a thread, because I would sure like to use the ping list on that one.

It's as involved and articulate article as I have read about J.F. Kerry.

Want to post it?
38 posted on 03/17/2004 2:46:57 PM PST by Howlin (Bush has claimed two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Howlin
Sure, I'll do it now.
39 posted on 03/17/2004 2:51:18 PM PST by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer
I'll be on the lookout for it!
40 posted on 03/17/2004 2:52:10 PM PST by Howlin (Bush has claimed two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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