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'Old Europe' Seen Quietly Rooting for Kerry
Yahoooo via Reuters ^ | 3/15/04

Posted on 03/15/2004 12:24:00 PM PST by areafiftyone

BERLIN (Reuters) - John Kerry (news - web sites) refuses to reveal the identities of foreign leaders he says are hoping he beats George W. Bush, but the list of admirers may include "old Europe" leaders alienated by the U.S. president's policies.

Even though no European leader has gone on record endorsing Kerry over Bush in the U.S. presidential election, analysts say many Western governments and their citizens are rooting from the sidelines for Kerry with unaccustomed zeal.

"You can probably find a lot of top people in governments across Europe very much hoping Kerry will win," said Peter Loesche, a political scientist at Goettingen University. "Bush isn't at all liked in Germany or many places in Europe."

German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and French President Jacques Chirac, who have openly clashed with Bush over Iraq (news - web sites) and felt the wrath from Washington for their opposition, could be among those hoping for a new U.S. government in November.

European officials are at pains to avoid interfering in the U.S. campaign, but point to mass demonstrations against Bush policies and polls that show Europeans would prefer the Massachusetts senator over the sitting U.S. president.

A survey Monday of German voters published by Focus magazine found that 65 percent want Kerry compared to 11 percent for Bush, five percent for neither and 19 percent undecided.

"It's not an anti-American mood in Germany but there are strong feelings against Bush," said Manfred Guellner, an adviser to Schroeder and head of the Forsa polling institute. "Europeans felt comfortable with (Bill) Clinton. They don't with Bush."

The exception to that may be in Britain, where the departure of Bush would leave his British ally, Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites), isolated at least in the short term, especially after the pro-war conservative Spanish government was ousted Sunday.

KERRY SAYS 'ALLIES' WANT HIM TO BEAT BUSH

But fearful that foreign intervention could backfire, no one in Berlin or Paris will voice a preference -- even after Kerry revealed America's allies were telling him they are upset with the "arrogant" U.S. foreign policy and its unilateralism.

"We're staying out of the presidential election but are obviously following it with great interest," said Friedbert Pflueger, foreign policy expert for conservative opposition in the German parliament.

"There's no way on earth I would make any comment on that," said Karsten Voigt, Schroeder's U.S. policy coordinator, when asked about Kerry's remarks about his foreign fans.

Kerry said the foreign leaders did not want to be named. But after the Bush administration derided Germany and France as "old Europe," Berlin and Paris seem to be obvious candidates.

"I'm talking about our allies, I'm talking about people who were our friends nine months ago," Kerry said while campaigning Sunday, adding he would not identify leaders he spoke with.

Kerry, who speaks French and some German, said they told him: "'You've got to win this, you've got to beat this guy, we need a new policy'."

Kerry, who lived for two years in Berlin in the early 1950s and attended boarding school in Switzerland, has drawn cheers across Europe for his international credentials, his language abilities and his pro-environment track record.

In France, officials warn journalists not to jump to the conclusion they are waiting for a new administration to say 'adieu' to the most anti-French administration in years. Nobody in a leading post dares to speculate on the race.

Studiously declining to pick sides, one senior official said Kerry might not be as difficult to deal with as Bush but might still be too unilateral for French taste. "He will still be American," he said, noting Washington's interests were fundamentally different from Europe's." Don't forget that the president still has many ways of creating events that work in his favor. It's a long way to the election."


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; axisofweasels; commiesforkerry; kerry; oldeurope
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AAAAACK!!! Excuse me while I spit out a hairball!
1 posted on 03/15/2004 12:24:01 PM PST by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone

Go John Kerry, he's our man!
If he can't do it, no one can!


2 posted on 03/15/2004 12:26:56 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: areafiftyone
Yep, Old Europe (France, Spain, Germany, etc), the whole of the Arab/Muslim world, No. Korea, ......all our enemies want Kerry to win.
3 posted on 03/15/2004 12:26:56 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: areafiftyone
BERLIN (Reuters)

By Erik Kirschbaum

erik.kirschbaum@reuters.com
4 posted on 03/15/2004 12:29:02 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: areafiftyone
The Ketchup Boy won't answer the charges that he fabricated the "conversations with foreign leaders". So, his liberal media polls will be glad to gloss it over for him.
5 posted on 03/15/2004 12:30:10 PM PST by TonyInOhio (Ask Presidents Dole, Dukakis, or Mondale about spring polls.)
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To: areafiftyone
Of course, they're not the only Kerry fans.

Michael M. Bates: My Side of the Swamp

6 posted on 03/15/2004 12:32:50 PM PST by Mike Bates (Artist Formerly Known as mikeb704.)
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To: TonyInOhio
How much you wanna make a bet Kerry called the new Spanish Prime Minister to congratulate him a drop a few hints about endorsing him so he won't look like a liar. I mean this guy just got elected why would he be commenting on Kerry right now.
7 posted on 03/15/2004 12:33:57 PM PST by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: areafiftyone
"Old Europe?" Meaning the Rothschild banking consortiums, the Bilderberg Group, the Club of Rome and other associated NWO pushers.....not to mention the Council on Foreign Relations here at home. We'll just forget the fact that a majority of GW's cabinet is also CFR. Those other guys are the really bad news.
8 posted on 03/15/2004 12:34:10 PM PST by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic.)
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To: areafiftyone
A survey Monday of German voters published by Focus magazine found that 65 percent want Kerry

I think that if the German voters want al Qerry, they should have him. I'll be happy to pay for the airplane ticket -- one way, of course, no return ever.

9 posted on 03/15/2004 12:35:13 PM PST by Eala (Sacrificing tagline fame for... TRAD ANGLICAN RESOURCE PAGE: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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Liberal on the forums are ecstatic over this article. Ummm don't they realize that most Americans don't give a fig about the so called Old Europe leaders? This means nothing to the American people - only to the media. We don't go ga ga every time a European leaders opens their mouth to talk like they do. When it comes to electing our president we don't ask European leaders who they endorse!
10 posted on 03/15/2004 12:38:58 PM PST by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: ExSoldier
There is no "old europe". It should be called the "new islamic republics of europe", because thats where it heading. i guess the current crop of european elites can carve themselves out a sanctuary in switzerland or something.
11 posted on 03/15/2004 12:43:39 PM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview
Hope they enjoy their birkas...
12 posted on 03/15/2004 12:47:55 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: areafiftyone
Old Europe. That would be all those countries that had secret agreements and contracts with Saddam, regardless of how the Iraqi people were being screwed, right?

"Screwed" must be the old European word for "diplomacy."
13 posted on 03/15/2004 12:48:10 PM PST by SpinyNorman
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To: TonyInOhio
Reasonable suspicion that Kerry's tale about such meetings and statements don't stem from "charges" from any third party. Kerry's own representations are undeniably in conflict with one another. He just Sunday evening said that he did not say he met with leaders, but asserted that that he only had conversations with them.

Earlier today, Rush played the tape, wherein JF'nK says "I HAVE MET WITH FOREIGN LEADERS. THEY LOOK YOU IN THE EYE AND TELL YOU THAT YOU'VE GOT TO WIN THIS, YOU'VE GOT TO BEAT THIS GUY." (Must've just coincidentally been severally those universally compatible video phones on which they were all talking, eh?)

If he'll lie about this relatively inconsequential thing, he's untrustworthy to tell the truth about anything.

HF

Read the earlier thread, Kerry Busted!

14 posted on 03/15/2004 12:49:49 PM PST by holden
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To: nutmeg
read later bump
15 posted on 03/15/2004 12:50:14 PM PST by nutmeg (Why vote for Bush? Imagine Commander in Chief John F’in Kerry)
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To: billorites
I dont think their rooting for Kerry will be quite so quiet. I think they will put their money where their mouth is
16 posted on 03/15/2004 12:50:19 PM PST by raloxk
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To: billorites
I dont think their rooting for Kerry will be quite so quiet. I think they will put their money where their mouth is
17 posted on 03/15/2004 12:50:21 PM PST by raloxk
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To: areafiftyone
"He will still be American," he said, noting Washington's interests were fundamentally different from Europe's."

This one wins the award for Diplomatic "Duh" of the Week. Although I'm sure that the EU would like nothing more than to find a way to amend the Constitution to either (a) let Slick Willie get a third term or (b) get a Frenchman as our President.

Oh wait, one's already running this year.

}:-)4

18 posted on 03/15/2004 12:54:11 PM PST by Moose4 (Yes, it's just an excuse to post more pictures of my kitten. Deal with it.)
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To: areafiftyone
German voters published by Focus magazine found that 65 percent want Kerry they can have him
19 posted on 03/15/2004 12:54:57 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: Mike Bates
#6-"Monica, is that you"???
20 posted on 03/15/2004 1:00:43 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Until Kofi Annan rides the Jerusalem RTD....nothing will change.)
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