Get Yer Ya-Yas Out [FR Moderating Gripe Thread]

[I Am Not A Mod]

LM here.

It's been a while since we had a thread along these lines.

I can tell from comments I am seeing in threads, on abuse reports, and in Freepmail that some people are unhappy with various policies and their implementations by the staff here.

I've seen allegations that certain factions are picked on. I've seen allegations that the moderators have killed activism. I've heard rumors that we killed Kenny, and even that we killed the radio star. I see certain personality conflicts acting up, and know that one (or both) sides in it feel that we aren't doing what we should.

So let's open this can of worms.

This thread is for making your grievances heard. If you think something stinks or is wrong, make your case here. Back it up with facts. Let the audience at large weigh in on your evidence.

I'll read the thread. Jim will too in all likelihood. So will the other moderators. Depending upon how well you make your point, and depending on if you can convince Jim, me, the other moderators, and/or the world, maybe you can change things. And if you don't, then it might make you feel better to have vented, so it won't make this thread a total loss.

I'm not going to reply to this thread for quite a while. Rather, I am going to sit back and watch to try and get a feel for the general tenor. I encourage those who are both happy and unhappy with things to particpate in this thread.

Let's rock.

[Willie Green]

You're a Buchananite Union kinda guy. Union protectionism is your thing.

No, I'm a Buchananite America First! kind of guy.
"Made In USA" is my kind of thing.
I believe that our nation's liberty and independence depend greatly on our capability of being self-reliant utilizing our own vast natural resouces and ingenuity.

"The prohibiting duties we lay on all articles of foreign manufacture which prudence requires us to establish at home, with the patriotic determination of every good citizen to use no foreign article which can be made within ourselves without regard to difference of price, secures us against a relapse into foreign dependency."

--Thomas Jefferson to Jean Baptiste Say, 1815.

As far as unions go, I'm rather neutral.
The best managed businesses operate in a fashion where the employees perceive no benefit in organizing. But there are also mismanaged corporations where employee abuse is best held in check by formal organization of the labor force.

[Fledermaus]

Ah...cut and paste! Reminds of my childhood with dull scissors, construction paper (what exactly did they construct with that stuff?) and Elmer's white glue!

Funny how we still cling to those familiar words.

[Trinity_Tx]

Because her posts are so full of other accusations that she could not possibly believe to be true, I don't think it is a matter of memory, but whatever she can get away with.

I'm truly sorry. I'll do it now though, and we'll see how it works. You'd have to restore the thread to help me with the rest of it though. <VBG>

[nopardons]

Slander and false accusations,when this all started when I said that you and I and uglybiker were on the same side and you went after me on that? Okay, I understand now.

You can post whatever it is you please, but it doesn't have to be factual. You can escalate the insults,couched in sort of soothing words;however, when bluntly called on it,all of a sudden you are the "victim". Well, that isn't quite how it works. You lied. I said you lied. You don't like my "tone". Ergo, I should have used a different word. Which would you prefer......perjury( oh no, that's when someone lies under oath),wanton dissembler,perfidious speaker of untruths? Gee.....find one that "sounds" better to the ear and I'll go with it.:-)

You claimed that you've never been in a flame war,on the other thread. Since you started this one, I no longer believe you.

[nopardons]

I would like to forget about it, if it's all the same to you.

[Jim Robinson]

"...with the patriotic determination of every good citizen to use no foreign article which can be made within ourselves..."

Well, I think all of that went out the window when the "Made in Tokyo" label hit the shelves. First the junk toys, then the cameras, transister radios, calculaters, electronics, computers, etc, etc, etc. By the way, where are your shirts made? Kinda hard to put it all back to the way it was pre WWII.

[MEG33]

When I was new I got on a free trade v protectionist thread,an illegal immigration thread, a Mason thread and..Texas women murdering men threads!...;)

[Fledermaus]

The list of products that COULD be made in American rather than what SHOULD be (or is worth our time) is infinite.

I guess Willie still wants to pay $30K plus benefits to have Americans manufacture toasters, Happy Meal toys, weave $4 packs of underwear, etc.

Oh, but wait, then we won't have those products any longer because under our freedom and free market system, there isn't going to be anyone buying a $30 toaster any longer, or $20 for 3 pairs of briefs, and McDonald's won't give away toys that cost them $3 to buy. Oh, but we can't bother to discuss all those jobs lost anyway because they are overpriced and have outlived their usefullness.

I can see a bumper sticker on Willie's car: "Bring back Slide Rules!"

[Tamzee]

Yikes.... sounds like you had a lively intro to Freeping LOL

The protectionist threads are fun, though... just tell the people to flip over the keyboard they are using to type their rants on.... many say "made in China" ;-)

[GeronL]

I wonder how many jobs were 'outsourced' because of the No-Call-List??

[Fledermaus]

GOOD ONE!

[GeronL]

Made in CHINA alright...! I am so offended LOL

[Texasforever]

Go get 'em TF. TBLspoon might explode.

I just registered. I will be there with bells on around 8 or 9 tonight.

[Tamzee]

Yep... my pearls were made in China, too... I'm willing to boycott many thing, but I am NOT going to boycott my keyboard or my pearls ;-)

[LisaMalia]

I just urge all FReepers to treat each other with respect, and although we may disagree on the small stuff, at the end of the day...we should be thankful to have this forum to express our thoughts. I know I am.

I just got home from work, and started reading through this thread. Wow. Now I realize how naive and silly my little post #41 was, excerpted above.

[MEG33]

I was initiated.. and I got my first insult after registering by(drum roll,please)the one ,the only..Cut and Paster.

[onyx]

NO way!
HA!
The nanny got you first.

[nopardons]

I can think of a couple of things that I wish were still made, but I don't remember oif they were made in America or nolt. LOL

[GeronL]

I don't remember my first posts

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Couldn't be. Those guys are completely innocent of any wrongdoing. They are victims of The Swarm™. In fact, you probably got Todd banned, by making him insult you.

[Cough.]