The Treason of the Spaniards

Adam Yoshida weblog ^ | 14 March 2004 | Adam Teiichi Yoshida

[JohnGalt]

You are mistaken; Michael Ledeen for example says that the natural state of the American people is War. Victor David Hanson says that of the entire West.

David Frum and Richard Perle just wrote a Bigger than Jesus manifesto called "An End to Evil"-- Can you say heaven on Earth utopia?

These people are anti-patriotic lunatics.

[squarebarb]

Yes, good point. I read a book called 'The Fall Of Saxon England', forget the author, of how the decadent and weak Saxon kingdoms just groveled before the Danes. Who were sea-going terrorists of the first order.


We think of the old Saxon kings as rowdy and hardy fellows with horns on their heads but actually the royal families became rich and weak and decadent. When the Danes arrived they roamed through England at will, killing, robbing and setting fire to anything that would burn. It went on for a century, I believe.

And all the Saxon kings could do was to rob their own people of all they could get in gold and pay them off. And give them territory. Notably East Anglia.

[headsonpikes]

Yoshida is a polemicist - he simplifies to make his point.

He is not to my particular taste - neither are those 'bubble-boy' theoretical libertarians who abjure realpolitik in favor of Utopia.

I've seen a few of those here.

[Constitutionalist Conservative]

So much hate directed at a country in mourning.

It's shameful to have such vile bitterness on FR for the pure purpose of scoring political points.

Sounds like something straight from the Democratic talking points--attacking the speaker instead of addressing what he said. If you have specific objections to anything that Yoshida said, let's hear them.

[HitmanLV]

I'm sorry but all this kind of talk on FR and elsewhere in the last day is a huge turnoff.

Calling an election reslult 'Treason' is terribly misplaced, and smacks of the hysterics that we usually see on the left side of the aisle.

We are a tougher and more resilient breed than our liberal friends, who seem to find a catastrophe in even the most mundane situations.

Yea, things could have gone better in Spain, but realize that the shift was in only a few seats, giving power to the decidedly weaker party vis a vis national defense.

I am certain there are many, many Spainiards who are alarmed because of this development. It's their neck, after all.

Those seeking to blame the media in Spain, or the voters, or whoever, are looking in the wrong place.

Enough folks in Spain - a small number, relatively, changed their vote after the terror attack that killed 200 and injured over 1000. We can speculate as to why they changed their vote - fear could be it, I really don't know.

In any event, from our perspective, it was 'gut check time' and they missed the gut check. That's not to say everyone in the country did. Only that enough of them did to make a difference.

So lets temper the hysterics. I think some folks in Spain made a bad decision. They will pay the price for it, no doubt. We will pay some kind of price for it to, I expect.

This was a bump on the road - anyone who expected to win every battle in the war on terror must have been living in fantasyland.

So come on, folks, toughen up and dig the heels in. We have an election in the USA we need to win. What Spain does short term is something we have to deal with, but its not the end of the cause, not by a longshot.

Anyone thinking it is should go find a new cause - our cause doesn't need people like them!

[tiamat]

Exactly.

And there are bunches of tall, blonde, blue-eyed people in Norhtern Ireland and Scotland to prove it, too.

[Non-Sequitur]

Spain has fallen to the terrorists. We cannot let it happen here, no matter the cost.

So is Yoshida suggesting that we cancel the election? Set up our own Caudillo? Our strength, and that of Spain, is that for better or worse the people get a say in the way we conduct our business. The people of Spain have decided overwhelmingly that they don't want to see their government following the policies that they are following, so they voted them out of office. If Yoshida doesn't like democracy then maybe he would be happier where he didn't have to put up with it?

[JohnGalt]

I've seen them as well. They keep claiming empires abroad can coexist with liberty at home. The Welfare-Warfare state needs them to maintain any kind of facade of legitimacy. How else could they pass Amnesty Bills that legalize, you know, actual invaders instead of bogeymen on TV that only scare soccer moms? And how else could they claim to defend the realm by centralizing and disarming its own citizenry?

Silly, really, but we bravely go forward.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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There is a Danger and after yesterday's Vote in Spain to change horses in the middle of a worldwide War on Terrorism...

...this ain't so crazy after all:


'HILLARY & TERORISM's plan to regain the White House'

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1022571/posts

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[Constitutionalist Conservative]

Never mind...looks like the debate is already well underway.

[Lando Lincoln]

Missed you on an earlier ping....Sorry.

Lando

[Constitutionalist Conservative]

Drats...I meant to address that to Mr. Galt. So sorry. I'll just step back now.

[JohnGalt]

The Spanish aren't cowards and traitors.

The writer is a punk for suggesting as much. My guess is that he was lousy at sports as a child and spent a lot of time playing video games and Dungeons and Dragons. He is probably rather girlish and likely his mother was domineering and his father equally effeminate. Without a strong father figure, he replaced that role with a mythological State and considers and slight of the State's propaganda to be a mark on his own family.

Do you want me to keep going or have I made my point?

[tiamat]

The whole thing with Spain just makes me sad.

I can't really be angry with what happened in that election. They got hit HARD and are still reeling.

Dissapointed? Yes.

Not angry.

[squarebarb]

You might look into that period. I believe it was about 700 AD. This is when the Saxon king called Ethelred The Unready was ruling.

It is a perfect study in appeasement.

[Unam Sanctam]

Thanks, but I meant whether Kipling had any issue contemporary with himself that he was thinking of, e.g., late Victorian period.

[Lando Lincoln]

You are right, of course. There are and will be numerous setbacks in this WOT. And, it is refreshing to read a "positive" rebuke for a change. So many replies are caustic.

Personally, my concern is that history has always, without fail, shown that appeasement of tyrants and terrorists is a mistake. Yet, the "elites" with their understanding of world nuances that only their intellect can grasp, drive the "useful idiot" class to see matters through the liberal lens. This is what is on display in Spain today. Now, most certainly, more blood will spilled directly due to this capitulation. Fanatical entities can not be reasoned with or negotiated with. They want our annihilation. Period. Despite the motivation, the bad guys have been emboldened.

FReegards

Lando

[Archie Bunker on steroids]

Because of how Spain voted, the terrorists will leave them alone. They will be back though.....5, 10, 20 years from now. They'll be back to thank those spineless socialist nations that let them grow in strength. They'll return to express their appreciation...in their own special "Religion of Peace" way.

[headsonpikes]

Another perspective is that tyranny abroad is incompatible with liberty at home, in the long run.

We cannot place the existence and rights of states over that of human beings, imo.

That is what the UN is up to; surely that is not the agenda of freedom-loving people.

[Atlantic Friend]

Spot on, sir !