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Mark Steyn: These guys want to kill us anyway
The Weekend Australian ^ | March 15, 2004 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 03/14/2004 6:51:49 AM PST by John Jorsett

"THE bombs dropped on Baghdad exploded in Madrid!" declared one "peace" protester in Spain. Or as Australian Federal Police Commissioner Mick Keelty put it, somewhat less vividly: "If this turns out to be Islamic extremists . . . it is more likely to be linked to the position that Spain and other allies took on issues such as Iraq."

By "other allies", he means you – yes, you, reading this on the bus to work in Australia. You may not have supported the war, or ever voted for John Howard, but you're now a target. In other words, this is "blowback". This is what you get when you side with the swaggering Texas gunslinger and his neocon Zionist sidekicks.

There are three responses to Commissioner Keelty:

1) Not necessarily.

In his penultimate public appearance, the late Osama bin Laden, broadcasting from his cave in the early hours of the Afghan campaign, listed among his principal grievances "the tragedy of Andalusia" – that is, the end of Muslim rule in Spain in 1492. That's 512 years ago, but the al-Qa'ida guys are in no mood to (as the Democrats used to urge Republicans in the Clinton impeachment era) "move on". After half a millennium, even Paula Jones would have thrown in the towel. But not these fellows. They're still settling scores from the 15th century. They might not get around to Johnny-come-lately grievances such as Iraq until the early 2600s.

2) Commissioner Keelty could be right.

The question then is what does a nation have to do to avoid being targeted by the Islamists. Canada refused to take part in the war on Iraq, but whoever makes Osama's audio tapes these days still named the disinclined dominion as one of al-Qa'ida's enemies. Ireland did no more than allow American aircraft to continue their practice of refuelling at Shannon but that was enough for Robert Fisk to volunteer them for a list of potential Islamist targets.

Turkey refused to let the US attack Iraq from its territory, but they made the mistake of permitting the British to maintain consular and commercial ties, so a bunch of Muslims in Istanbul got slaughtered anyway. France was second to none in the creative energy and elegant deviousness they brought to the undermining of Bush and Blair vis a vis Iraq, and the only thanks they got was the detonation of their oil tanker off the coast of Yemen.

Maybe you could avoid all that by overthrowing the Bush poodles and installing John Pilger as prime minister. But I wouldn't advise it. Before he became a born-again Baathist urging on the Iraqi resistance, Pilger's big pet cause was independence for East Timor, which seemed like a smart move at the time but has since been cited by the Islamofascists as one of the reasons they blew up Bali.

And that brings me to the best response to the commissioner:

3) It makes no difference.

Even if you'd avoided Iraq or Andalusia or British banks or Pilger or any other affront to Islamist sensibilities, you'd still be a target. As the PR guy for the Islamic Army of Aden said after blowing up that French tanker: "We would have preferred to hit a US frigate, but no problem because they are all infidels." Commissioner Keelty is confusing old-school terrorism – blowing the legs off grannies as a means to an end – with the new: blowing the legs off grannies is the end. Old-school terrorists have relatively viable goals: They want a Basque state or Northern Ireland removed from the UK. You might not agree with these goals, you might not think them negotiable, but at least they're not stark staring insane.

That kind of finely calibrated terrorism – just enough slaughter to inconvenience the state into concessions – is all but over. Suppose you're an ETA cell. Suppose you were planning a car-bomb for next month – nothing fancy, just a dead Spanish official plus a couple of unlucky passers-by. Still want to go ahead with it? I doubt it. Despite Gerry Adams's attempts to distinguish between "unacceptable" terrorism and the supposedly more beneficial kind, these days it's a club with only one level of membership. That's why so many formerly active terrorist groups have been so quiet the past couple of years. In that sense, Bush is right: It is a "war on terror", and on many fronts it's being won.

If Islamic terrorism were as rational as Irish or Basque terrorism, it would be easier. But Hussein Massawi, former leader of Hezbollah, summed it up very pithily: "We are not fighting so that you will offer us something. We are fighting to eliminate you." You can be pro-America (Spain, Australia) or anti-America (France, Canada), but if you broke into the head cave in the Hindu Kush and checked out the hit list you'd be on it either way.

So the choice for pluralist democracies is simple: You can join Bush in taking the war to the terrorists, to their redoubts and sponsoring regimes. Despite the sneers that terrorism is a phenomenon and you can't wage war against a phenomenon, in fact you can – as the Royal Navy did very successfully against the malign phenomena of an earlier age, piracy and slavery.

Or you can stick your head in the sand and paint a burqa on your butt. But they'll blow it up anyway.


TOPICS: Editorial; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: australia; canada; france; marksteyn; marksteynlist; spain; steyn; thegreatsteyn
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To: Pokey78
Gadzooks! I'm almost afraid to sleep because I might miss something by Mark Steyn :-).

In tomorrow's news, the Islamists blow up something big in France and blame it on Charles Martel and Roncesvalles.
61 posted on 03/14/2004 6:43:57 PM PST by Tax-chick (Donate to FRIENDS OF SCOUTING and ruin a liberal's day!)
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To: Kay
If you can spare a few hours away from FR, I would suggest visiting his website. http://www.steynonline.com
62 posted on 03/14/2004 8:00:14 PM PST by SWake ("Estrada was savaged by liars and abandoned by cowards." Mark Davis, WBAP, 09/09/2003)
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To: aruanan
Yep... paint the burka... get the rear blown up (along with the rest)...

Why can't we all just get along???

Because the other side wants to get even for anything they can come up with. Could be a few hundred years ago, a million years ago, or a second ago (talk about holding a grudge)...

I find it so hard to believe that anyone on the face of the planet is seriously considering Kerry as a leader of our country... but unfortunately there are a bunch at this time that do...
63 posted on 03/14/2004 8:24:37 PM PST by easonc52
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To: Pokey78; John Jorsett
Thanks for the ping and the post. Mark Steyn is great as always. Some mention of Saddam's tie to terrorism should be made.
Got some links of, I think, an important document:

Report Details Saddam's Support for Terrorists Who Killed Americans

The above link is the FreeRepublic discussion thread.

The actual article is :

"Saddam Hussein’s Philanthropy of Terror"

It is a pdf document with substantial footnotes and put together by Dewey Murdock of the Hudson Institute.

64 posted on 03/14/2004 9:06:23 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Kay
Pokey78 has the "official" Steyn ping list...I'm sure he'd be happy to put you on it if you FReepmail him.
65 posted on 03/14/2004 9:12:49 PM PST by moonhawk (Somebody had to say it...)
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To: Pokey78
So the choice for pluralist democracies is simple: You can join Bush in taking the war to the terrorists, to their redoubts and sponsoring regimes. Or you can stick your head in the sand and paint a burqa on your butt. But they'll blow it up anyway.

Well said, Mark Steyn!

66 posted on 03/14/2004 9:28:57 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul (Kerry's 3 Purple Hearts are: 2 for minor arm and thigh injury and 1 for killing a semi-dead VietCong)
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To: VeritatisSplendor
The conventional wisdom about the political consequences of Thursday’s terrorist attacks in Spain for today’s Spanish elections formed remarkably (indeed, suspiciously) quickly.

That's because absolutely no research or thought was done. When I was reading the coverage of supposedly ordinary Spaniards discussing why they would now vote against the administration and for the leftists, I was struck by how much the "reporting" resembled the continuous pronouncements about the implosion of some Bush policy or other.

That conventional wisdom reads more like journalists' wishful thinking. That doesn't mean it's wrong (though I expect it probably is), but no facts were considered in forming it.

67 posted on 03/14/2004 9:35:42 PM PST by irv
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To: Happy2BMe
The only happy ending to this is a bullit between Osama's running lights.
68 posted on 03/14/2004 9:44:54 PM PST by blackbart.223
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To: John Jorsett
"We are not fighting so that you will offer us something. We are fighting to eliminate you." You can be pro-America (Spain, Australia) or anti-America (France, Canada), but if you broke into the head cave in the Hindu Kush and checked out the hit list you'd be on it either way.

Spot on! The citizens of Spain just voted in their death warrants IMHO. What a terrible mistake they have made siding with the socialists who side with the terrorists, just as our own do. Let us hope this country doesn't fall for the lies of the left as Spain has.

69 posted on 03/14/2004 9:45:37 PM PST by ladyinred (democrats have blood on their hands!)
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To: John Jorsett
"The bombs dropped on Baghdad exploded in Madrid!"..."If this turns out to be Islamic extremists . . . it is more likely to be linked to the position that Spain and other allies took on issues such as Iraq."

These fools need to learn to keep their mouths shut! Some things should be thought, but NEVER said. Comments like these only encourage the enemy.

Commissioner Keelty is confusing old-school terrorism – blowing the legs off grannies as a means to an end – with the new: blowing the legs off grannies is the end.

One of my favorite lines in the article.

70 posted on 03/15/2004 12:17:09 AM PST by schmelvin
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To: Pokey78
An excellent Steyn!!
71 posted on 03/15/2004 1:37:22 AM PST by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: Lion in Winter; Redcoat LI
>>Hey, check out the hamas sympathizer with the rag around his neck in thr front row. What nerve.

I'm pretty sure that Hamas' color is green, and the black and white khaffeyah is that of the Palestinians / the Palestinian Authority.
72 posted on 03/15/2004 3:31:14 AM PST by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank)
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To: scholar; Bullish; linear; yoda swings
Ping
73 posted on 03/15/2004 10:50:37 AM PST by knighthawk (I have started my journey, I'm drifting away with the wind, full of power I'm spreading my wings)
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To: John Jorsett
They might not get around to Johnny-come-lately grievances such as Iraq until the early 2600s.

Thank you, Steyn, for using humor while pointing out the truth. The unfunny side is that any job left undone will plague our posterity.

74 posted on 03/16/2004 11:13:49 AM PST by Ruth A.
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