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To: Rutles4Ever
has this blown the "rule of thumb" out of the water that something like this takes a year or more to consummate?

That's a good point. IN the case of Spain, the country was already riddled with AQ cells, so this may have made it easier for them.

In addition, I'm sure they're going to find connections with the domestic terrorist movement, ETA. The blasting caps were manufactured in Pais Vasco, and the Algerian arrested today was caught in San Sebastian, a Basque city, where he was involved in the drug trade and upon a drug arrest in January had threatened that hundreds of Spaniards were going to be killed in Madrid. ETA controls Pais Vasco very closely, and anybody who is involved in either the drug trade or terrorism up there certainly couldn't do it without ETA's consent. So I think having the existence of a home-grown terrorist network also contributed. (I still think OKC was a joint AQ-domestic operation, of course.)

I have never thought it took them years, in any case. They seem to have an "on demand" type of terrorism: lay the groundwork at their leisure, and then when the moment is right, strike. It just hasn't been that advantageous to them before to strike quickly. I think, alas, we're going to see a series of these strikes now. Just my paranoid opinion.

1,168 posted on 03/16/2004 8:16:01 AM PST by livius
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5 Madrid Suspects Reportedly Identified

By JOHN LEICESTER, Associated Press Writers

MADRID, Spain - Police identified five new Moroccan suspects in the Madrid train bombings, a newspaper reported Tuesday, and the death toll rose to 201.

A French investigator told The Associated Press, meanwhile, that he had found a direct link between prime suspect Jamal Zougam and the spiritual leader of a clandestine extremist group believed involved in last May's deadly attacks in Casablanca, Morocco.

Police believe the five new Moroccan suspects took part in the bombings, the newspaper El Pais reported, without identifying them by name. Interior Ministry spokesman Juan de Dios Colmenero said he could not confirm the report.

Since the attacks, investigators have focused on Zougam, a Moroccan immigrant who was arrested Saturday with two other Moroccans and two Indians. El Pais said the Indians were released, although the government did not confirm that.

Incoming Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, who was swept into power during elections Sunday, three days after the Madrid attacks, harshly criticized the Iraq war, which was supported by his predecessor, Jose Maria Aznar.

"I have said many times that the Iraq war was a great disaster, the occupation continues to be a disaster — it only generates more violence," Zapatero told radio station Cadena Ser on Monday.

Most Spaniards opposed Aznar's support of the Iraq war, and many believed he made Spain a target for terrorists by his pro-U.S. policies.

Police also said Tuesday they have detained an Algerian who allegedly talked about a terrorist attack in Madrid two months before it happened. Ali Amrous was picked up Monday in the Basque city of San Sebastian to learn if he had advance knowledge of Thursday's terrorist attacks in Madrid, police told the AP.

Amrous, an apparent indigent, was first arrested in January after a neighborhood disturbance and made the threatening comments while being questioned by police, saying that "we will fill Madrid with the dead," authorities said. They added that they doubted he was connected at a high level with any terrorist group but may have known about the attacks in advance.

He was expected to be brought to Madrid for questioning. Police said they did not believe Amrous had any contacts with the armed Basque separatist group ETA, which the government initially blamed for the attacks.

The death toll from Thursday's commuter train attacks in the Spanish capital rose to 201 with the death of a 45-year-old woman, authorities said. The toll is now one short of the 202 people killed in the 2002 nightclub bombing in Bali, Indonesia — the worst terrorist attack since Sept. 11.

A commemorative Mass for the victims was scheduled for Tuesday night at Madrid's Almudena Cathedral.

Zougam has already been identified by a Spanish judge as a follower of Imad Yarkas, the alleged leader of Spain's al-Qaida cell, who remains jailed on suspicion he helped plan the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States.

El Pais also reported that two Indians who are believed to have sold telephone cards to three arrested Moroccans were released. De Dios said he could not confirm the report.

The bombs were triggered by cell phones, and investigators were able to find and arrest the three Moroccans and two Indians on Saturday because a cell-phone card was found in an unexploded bomb and traced.

Investigators scrambled to learn the scope of the operation that carried out the Madrid attacks.

A possible link between them and Casablanca gained credibility Tuesday after French investigator Jean-Charles Brisard said he has found a direct tie between Zougam and Mohamed Fizazi, a spiritual leader of Salafia Jihadia, which allegedly was behind the Casablanca attack and which has been linked to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida terror network.

The suicide bombings in Casablanca killed 33 people and 12 bombers.

In a telephone call with Yarkas that Spanish police monitored in August 2001, Zougam said he had met with Fizazi, who was among 87 people sentenced in Morocco last August in a trial that centered on the Casablanca attacks. Fizazi received a 30-year sentence.

The monitored call is cited in a 600,000-page report by investigative Judge Baltasar Garzon, who is probing the Sept. 11 attacks in the United States, said Brisard, who spoke with the AP by telephone. Brisard has access to Garzon's documents because he is helping to probe the attacks for lawyers representing some of its victims' families.

The Garzon document says that in the monitored phone call, Zougam told Yarkas: "On Friday, I went to see Fizazi and I told him that if he needed money we could help him with our brothers," Brisard said.

Fizazi previously preached at a mosque in Hamburg, Germany, frequented by some of the hijackers who carried out the Sept. 11 attacks.

Zougam also has connections that possibly lead to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Moroccan official said. Al-Zarqawi is a key operative working with al-Qaida who has been blamed in attacks in Jordan, Iraq and elsewhere.

The other two arrested Moroccans are Zougam's half brother, Mohamed Chaoui, 34, and Mohamed Bekkali, 31.

Spanish radio station Cadena Ser reported Monday that police found a witness who saw Zougam on a train that was bombed. But Interior Minister Angel Acebes said authorities had no knowledge of a witness.

The radio, quoting unidentified police sources, said the witness said he saw Zougam on the train headed for Madrid's Atocha station, leaning against a door.

Both Cadena Ser and the newspaper El Pais reported that police believe Zougam actually left bombs on the train. Ibanez said there was no proof of that.

Zougam's alleged associations to terror suspects date back more than a decade, when he was introduced to Abdelaziz Benyaich in 1993, Moroccan authorities said. Benyaich, who has dual French and Moroccan citizenship, was arrested in Spain in 2003 in connection with the Casablanca bombings.

Morocco is seeking Benyaich's extradition and claims he has had contact with al-Zarqawi, whom German authorities reportedly believe was appointed by al-Qaida's leadership to arrange attacks in Europe.

Moroccan officials also believe al-Zarqawi ordered the attacks in Casablanca, and U.S. officials blamed al-Zarqawi for March 2 bombings in Iraq that killed at least 181 Shiite Muslim pilgrims. The Jordanian militant also is believed to have been behind the 2002 killing of Laurence Foley, a U.S. aid worker in Jordan.

Authorities have been tracking Islamic extremist activity in Spain since the mid-1990s and say it was an important staging ground, along with Germany, for the Sept. 11 attacks.

1,177 posted on 03/16/2004 8:42:04 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: livius; JustPiper; TexKat
I'm sure they're going to find connections with the domestic terrorist movement, ETA. The blasting caps were manufactured in Pais Vasco, and the Algerian arrested today was caught in San Sebastian, a Basque city, where he was involved in the drug trade and upon a drug arrest in January had threatened that hundreds of Spaniards were going to be killed in Madrid. ETA controls Pais Vasco very closely, and anybody who is involved in either the drug trade or terrorism up there certainly couldn't do it without ETA's consent.

There is, without a doubt, a connection between ETA, Morrocan Terrorists, AlQaeda and Communist Socialists

Google Search lawyer Victor Koppe (Dutch) and be sure to read the translatable pages.

Its ETA, Terrorists, and Commies and drugs throughout. I could not believe what I was reading.

If I can figure this out, I hope the Spanish and the media idiots can.

1,216 posted on 03/16/2004 10:44:07 AM PST by Selene
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