TWO WITNESSES COULD END KERRY PRESIDENTIAL RUN -- "The Phoenix Project"

various sources | 3-12-04 | dfu

[doug from upland]

THOMAS LIPSCOMB STORY

Reporter Thomas Lipscomb wrote the story which is linked above in the NY SUN. It has the potential to end the Kerry presdential run.

I had a great conversation with Lipscomb a short while ago. This story was too hot for some of the majors. But Lipscomb assured me it is well-sourced and is dead on.

Two witnesses have placed John Kerry at a Kansas City meeting of the hierarchy of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War in November of 1971. At that meeting, they actually took a vote about assassinating United States senators. It was called "The Phoenix Project" and was the brainchild of Scott Camil. Kerry spokesman David Wade has denied Kerry was at the meeting.

The two witnesses who place Kerry at the meeting are Terry Du-Bose and Randy Barnes. What is very interesting is that Barnes is a big Kerry supporter and the head of Missouri Vets for Kerry. As a supporter, Barnes would certainly not make up a story that would hurt his candidate. He told Lipscomb of Kerry's attendance at the meeting.

Think of the implications. If the mainsteam media and major news networks do their homework, they may discover that a man who wants to be president was at a meeting discussing the possiblity of assassinating United States senators. That is a conspiracy. Instead of the White House, does John Forbes Kerry belong in the Big House?

Get on the phone to newsrooms and shame them into covering this story. A major mainsteam journalist returned by email in about a half hour after I sent him info. He finds it "interesting." Let's see if pursues it. He is notable enough, that if he does the story, all hell will break loose in the presidential campaign.

Note: Lipscomb is not a right-wing ideologue. He did a recent story defending Kerry over his medals. He also recently did a story in which he went after George Bush's National Guard service. He told me that he expected to find a drunken rich kid with coke up his nose. Instead, he discovered that Bush actually did more than make up the meetings he had missed and he honorably fulfilled his duty. And Terry McAuliffe knows it.

[GailA]

btt

[Mo1]

I sent this info off to my local talk radio to read .. Not sure what will happen .. only time will tell

[doug from upland]

Thanks.

[Old Professer]

What's the backup position?

[Cboldt]

I thought after a candidate secures the National Nomination, it was all over. I didn't realize they could change Candidates after the Convention.

As far as I know, 100% of the time, in the past, the candidates for the office of President were "cemented in" by the convention. There are, I'm sure, election laws that pertain to timing of announcing candidacy, etc. But the DEM party will obtain judicial exception, or just plain "do it," as they see fit to reach their goals.

See widow Carnahan (not on the ballot), Toricelli/Lautenburg (candidate change, no infirmity, AFTER the people selected Toricelli in a primary). My point is that it's a mistake to underestimate the depravity of politicians.

As a practical exercise, imagine what could happen if, 25 days before the general election, Kerry up and says, "I quit." Do you think the DEMs would settle for having no candidate? What would happen if they asked for a mulligan, and were told, tough noogie, your guy quit? I can't imagine how much anger that would create, and the anger would not be directed against Democrats.

[fightin kentuckian]

His "no" vote was probably a flip-flop from his earlier stance. Or he may have flip-flopped after the "no" vote. lol

[P-Marlowe]

Interesting theory, but infiltrators are almost always low level quiet types. Kerry was a leader in the organization. He set the agenda. An infiltrator does not set agendas, they are paid to agree. So if Kerry were an infiltrator, he would have voted for the plot and then informed the powers that be. His vote against the plot and his leadership position in the movement is, IMO, strong evidence that he was not there as an "infiltrator." He was there as a plain-old-every-day "traitor."

[metesky]

If Kerry was there, and spoke against the plan, and resigned from the organization--all he has to do is say so.

Wasn't he still a Reserve officer at the time?

If so, he was duty bound to report the conspiracy.

[ravingnutter]

There is a Quaker Action Group in PA that has stored documents from 1966-1971 that include "minutes, correspondence, memoranda, financial records, subject files (organizations), research files (topics), project files, newsletters, press releases, statements of Quaker yearly meetings in various cities, clippings, photographs and sound recordings."

One of the associated organizations listed on the website is VVAW. You might want to forward this lead on to someone who can do the footwork...the documents are not on-line. Might be something interesting in there, it even lists the library reference location of the material. From the website:

Box 9

Other organizations, correspondence with and material about: Vietnam Veterans Against the War - World Without War

[katana]

Massassination?

[OXENinFLA]

Sometimes life is stranger then fiction.


(Not that your book would have been fiction.)

[Neenah]

I have been thinking the very same thing (Hillary) even before you posted this ! Although, this story would have to be HUGH before it would get ANY air time at all ! If it were Bush, it would have been out already.

Having said that. I have a question...

I have wondered what would happen to ANY candidate running for the presidency, if they died, were killed, scandal stopped them, terminal illness...etc Before the election has taken place ? What does the Constitution say about this ? Is there another run by someone else? Does the runner-up take the helm ? Anyone know ?

[OXENinFLA]

Massassination

DING DING DING........

We have a winner!

[cwb]

Interesting. He does have a habit of being on both sides of an issue:)

[P-Marlowe]

Kerry doesn't have the machine to commit any type of Arkancide. If anything the timing of this leak seems to have the fingerprints of the Arkanciders on it. My tin-foil hat theory is that Hillary thinks she can beat Bush right now, so the plan is to destroy Kerry before the convention and try for a 2004 victory instead of waiting for 2008.

Let us remember that Hillary and company had posession of a lot of FBI files (which undoubtedly included the doings of Kerry in the 1970's) and was undoubtedly privy to this information when she was the co-president.

If the press runs with this story right now, then you can assume that it has the fingerprints of Hillary and Terry McCauliffe on it. Hillary is the only democrat right now who could gain from this information and this may be the opening salvo in a Draft-Hillary movement.

[doug from upland]

They clearly would have the right to pick another candidate, but I don't know what the Constitution says about it.

[jslade]

bttt

[firebrand]

I was just thinking the same thing. I hope this is not so big that someone else gets the nomination.