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Bush strikes back at critics of outsourcing
The Financial Times ^ | 9. March 2004 | Edward Alden

Posted on 03/10/2004 4:43:33 AM PST by 1rudeboy

President George W. Bush hit back at Democratic critics of his administration's job-creation efforts on Tuesday, branding them as "economic isolationists" who would raise new trade barriers and damage the US economy.

The comments came as part of what appeared to be a co-ordinated administration effort to respond to growing political pressures over the slow pace of US job growth, which has helped push Mr Bush's likely Democratic opponent, John Kerry, ahead of the president in several recent polls.

In a speech in Virginia, Mr Bush said: "There are economic isolationists in our country who believe we should separate ourselves from the rest of the world by raising up barriers and closing off markets. They're wrong. If we are to continue growing this economy and creating new jobs, America must remain confident and strong about our ability to trade in the world."

Robert Zoellick, the US trade representative, similarly warned Congress on Tuesday that "given the fact we're now in a stage of an economic recovery, the absolutely worst thing we could do would be to turn to economic isolationism".

Mr Zoellick told the Senate finance committee that increasing US exports to countries such as China and India, encouraging foreign investment in the US, and helping workers adjust to the loss of some jobs abroad were better responses than "bureaucratic interventions that will increase prices to our people".

Mr Bush's comments came less than a week after the Senate passed legislation aimed at preventing US government contracts from being carried out by workers in developing countries.

The administration has been uncertain over how to respond to the continued slow pace of job creation. Mr Bush has sought to distance himself from recent remarks by a senior economic adviser, Gregory Mankiw, that outsourcing of jobs is just a part of trade and therefore good for the US economy. But the administration now appears set to mount a more robust defence of companies that move US jobs abroad.

"US companies with foreign affiliates now account for about 58 per cent of our exports," said Mr Zoellick. "So the companies that do business overseas are also exporting overseas."

"I think the challenge is: How do you help people in a way that doesn't hurt or kill other jobs?" he said, pointing out that the US currently runs a $60bn annual trade surplus in the service sector, which has seen a growing number of jobs moved to lower-wage countries.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush43; busk; immigrantlist; mobythread; offshoring; outsourcing; trade
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To: BikePacker; Luis Gonzalez
#127  There is a REASON these companies are selling their products in the US, and not where they are manufacturedCare to guess what it is?

My hands up!  My hands up!  I got the answer:   A free market means companies can sell where they choose. 

Let's keep it that way.  I would just love those mean old South African's to dump their excess gold on me at $1.25 per ounce.   Nasty old Arabs want to undercut our American oilmen and sell us a million barrels of oil at $4.35 ea.?   Bring 'em on!

161 posted on 03/10/2004 6:48:12 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: Cronos
So when sprint closed down is call center in the US and a call center magically appeared in Banglore it was not a net loss of jobs.. ok hva some more punch..
162 posted on 03/10/2004 6:49:03 AM PST by N3WBI3
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To: Final Authority
I have advised my children to not even consider a college education to prepare for the private sector in a few years. What does that say about our future as a nation?

Your loss, my friend.

My son just graduated from Penn State, and immediately scored a job making 60k, plus nearly 10k in education and bonus incentive benefits, with an S&P 500 pharmacutical company.

My daughter is in college taking nursing courses, and already has job offers of nearly $25/hour.

The company I work for in the media is constantly hiring new people.

If you and yours want to withdraw from society, so be it. All the more for people who still have some incentive to go out and make a good living.

163 posted on 03/10/2004 6:49:29 AM PST by Edit35
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To: dyno35
Every single one of these threads brings out three types of people: those that are not overly concerned with the issue (I'm one of those), those that are very concerned about the issue (most of the others), and those who believe that the world is so unfair that it craps on them daily, and it must be Bush's fault.

In my opinion, there is nothing to be gained by the unemployed or underemployed by lamenting that some company in some other state sent some jobs overseas. If individuals would concentrate on their own situation, rather than striking some leftist solidarity pose, they'd see a lot more success.

164 posted on 03/10/2004 6:56:11 AM PST by Mr. Bird
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To: N3WBI3; InterceptPoint
per capita are there more jobs now than a year ago?

Yes, check for your self.  The bush-bashers are wrong and they've been wrong for years.  The economy is booming, and all strata of society are better off.

165 posted on 03/10/2004 6:57:57 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Lots of people paid up in the 80's and 90's to get Air Jordans and similar.

Your point?

166 posted on 03/10/2004 6:58:46 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: BikePacker
He's a liar when he claims he is against offshoring jobs.

And he's stupid too if that's his position. Corporate tax over 30% = Evil oppressive government destroying postive environment for corporations to operate in.

Offshoring = effective means of combatting the above. Hopefully all corporations will threaten to leave. Maybe then the government will lower the corporate tax. The USA should be a tax haven for corporations- not a place to flee from.

167 posted on 03/10/2004 7:00:47 AM PST by Prodigal Son (Liberal ideas are deadlier than second hand smoke.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Your statements are all demonstrably false.

Demonstration of falsity, with support, commencing in three.....two.....one......

168 posted on 03/10/2004 7:01:32 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: Prodigal Son
Never said we were doomed. That's your projection. I just said that I don't see what is going to take up the slack. What is the next new thing that's going to create all these new jobs?

It seems you really don't know what this new job creation engine is either, so I find it rather amusing that you can be so critical of my comments.
169 posted on 03/10/2004 7:01:50 AM PST by SolutionsOnly
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To: N3WBI3
Unemployment at 5.6% is exactly where it was just prior to the 1996 Clinton relative landslide. What is different this time? What about all those people sitting at home quietly running their e-bay businesses. They don't show up anywhere in the labor statistics.
171 posted on 03/10/2004 7:04:33 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: lentulusgracchus
When it's your turn in the barrel, other people will remember you said that, stupid.

Self employed baby! Woohoo! My job belongs to me. And uh, I've already outsourced it to another country and am benefitting quite well from it ;-)

You don't have a right to a job. You want guarantees in life? Maybe a different planet, I don't know. It doesn't exist here. Look at the state Europe is in. Is that what you want? Is that what all you protectionists want? Double digit unemployment in Germany. Why? Because the people there wanted the government to guarantee job and income security. That's exactly why. That's what people on this thread want- a European solution.

Hey, you'll get what you ask for maybe, but I'm sure you won't like it once you've got it.

172 posted on 03/10/2004 7:05:40 AM PST by Prodigal Son (Liberal ideas are deadlier than second hand smoke.)
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To: expat_panama
Nasty old Arabs want to undercut our American oilmen and sell us a million barrels of oil at $4.35 ea.? Bring 'em on!

Well, if you're a retiree with a Hummer parked behind the doublewide, I guess your statement, as an expression of where your interest lies, makes sense.

Otherwise, if they did that, they'd destroy the U.S. oil industry (what's left of it), idling equipment and men and causing organizations to be rolled up and settled. All that gear would go to the weedpatch, and all that experienced talent would be selling tires or teaching community-college courses in geology. You want that?

You know, you can devolve an economy back to zero activity, without working too hard at it. Remember LBJ's one-liner about carpenters, barns, and jackasses?

173 posted on 03/10/2004 7:06:07 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: N3WBI3
Amazingly this thread..

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1094285/

generated over 500 comments on the same subject. I guess W doesn't understand the "middle class" or doesn't care.
174 posted on 03/10/2004 7:06:22 AM PST by Beck_isright ("I did not have sexual relations with that woman" - (Fill in name of Democrat here))
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To: SolutionsOnly
What is the next new thing that's going to create all these new jobs?

I think you're missing the point. If I knew what the next new thing was, I'd be inventing it or investing in it. Right now, someone else is (darn it). But one thing is certain: if we decide to tread water and keep all the jobs we currently do, then some other country will develop the next new thing.

175 posted on 03/10/2004 7:06:27 AM PST by Mr. Bird
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To: BikePacker
" What I want to know is what happens when "ordinary Americans" can't afford even "cheap goods"?

I'm almost certain I know the answer to what you are asking. Not to your question exactly, but to what is likely to have motivated it's asking.

Any economy has up and downs. In US History we typically call them "boom and bust" cycles. However, and interestingly, that term has fallen out of current vogue. But go back to say, 1950, 1940, 1930, etc, etc. and every man on the street would understand it and expect it as a natural state of affairs.

There are times when most people in an area have excesses to spend, and they do, and times when an area is, well, illiquid. Hard times. Can hardly afford cheap goods.

Ideally we learn and grow from experiencing both kinds of times, while -- of course -- being desirous of minimizing the hard times.

You may recollect the William Jennings Byrant "No Cross of Gold" motto. He was a demogogue, a man who wrecked much long term havoc on our nation, yet his call then had some honorable basis -- he called for the Federal Government to enable more liquidity in one of those hard times, by allowing a silver standard as well as a gold one.

If he wasn't throwing his own honor into the fires of demogogery and self-aggrandizment and power he might have produced a finer body of work without the havoc he left to us long term.

His greed for such demogogue's power made him more wrong than he was right. Still ...

Liquidity is needed in such times.

But we are super-liquid now. We have papered over every corner of the known universe with fiat dollars.

Where will that new liquidity come from?

* * * * *

The boom-bust cycle is ancient. Ancient. Many thousands of years. The problems we are experiencing are NOT "new under the sun". Human nature has it's constancies. Very constant.

How have super boom-bust cycles been solved in the past -- that is, reliquified after a period of super-liquidity?

Always by re-money-tization of a sort. That is by coining a new standard currency.

That's NO light thing, to replace in whole the money system. For people hold all sorts of debt and contract valued in the old currency. When it happens it is radical. War, National breakdown Calamity, insurrection.

I've only found one suggestion of a alternative that may work, but really needs some serious adaptation of which I have not imagined, and which in all integrity needs to be codified in the Constitution, but certainly would need some trials before doing so. (Almost as if I'm proposing a possible Constitutional Admenment for two hundred years from now.)

That is the concept of the Jubilee Year, and perhaps the Sabbatical years as well.

In any case what the Biblical Jubilee makes regular, happens anyway but instead in havoc and chaos and calamity, when the time of a super-bust cycle comes on.

176 posted on 03/10/2004 7:10:10 AM PST by bvw
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To: civil discourse
Hospital care is already being downgraded by hiring less qualified folk for nursing type jobs

That actually causes a net gain in jobs (not a reduction of good ones), if you understand hospitals. For years nurses have been expected to perform all sorts of menial tasks, which wastes their education and training. Hospitals are working to utilize nurses efficiently, and part of that is hiring a lower echelon of workers. Health care employment is rocking, and will continue to do so for at least the next 10 years.

177 posted on 03/10/2004 7:10:13 AM PST by Mr. Bird
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To: Final Authority
well obviously SOMEONE can afford those Big Macs or McD's wouldn't be there!
178 posted on 03/10/2004 7:12:23 AM PST by waverna (I shall do neither. I have killed my captain...and my friend.)
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To: Mr. Bird; Prodigal Son
So then I'm wrong to be concerned that I'm not seeing the job creation we need to strenghten our economy and squelch the socialist agruments of our home grown leftists?

179 posted on 03/10/2004 7:13:33 AM PST by SolutionsOnly
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To: Prodigal Son
Self employed baby! Woohoo! My job belongs to me.

You don't have to answer a personal question, but here goes: Just how old are you? Are you as young and foolish as you sound?

"My job belongs to me", eh? Wait'll you get sick. Real sick. Sick as in, can't work, can't hardly get up. When your wife.......oh, wait, you sound like you don't have time for foolishness like that, either.

Okay, well, we'll just roll the coroner's wagon when the neighbors begin to complain about the flies. That'll be your "safety net".

180 posted on 03/10/2004 7:13:36 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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