One Of John Kerry's "Band Of Brothers"

Various | March 8, 2004 | Hon

[Hon]

One Of John Kerry's "Band Of Brothers"

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Cape Vet, Kerry Renew Ties

By Jack Coleman
Staff Writer
The Cape Codder Online

Delivering his victory speech in New Hampshire Tuesday night, U.S. Sen. John Kerry said he was indebted to a specific group around him on stage.

"In the hardest moments of the past month, I depended on the same band of brothers I depended on more than 30 years ago," said Kerry, with his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, beside him. "We're a little older now, a little grayer, but we still know how to fight for our country.

"And if I am president, I pledge that those who wore the uniform of the United States of America will have a voice and a champion in the Oval Office."

A few feet away, wearing the Marine Corps cap he has owned since serving in Vietnam, stood Brewster resident Joseph Bangert - one of the proverbial boys in the band.

Joe Bangert of Brewster can be seen directly behind Teresa Heinz Kerry in this photo from CNN of the Kerry camp celebrating John Kerry's victory in the New Hampshire primary. Bangert, like Kerry a Vietnam veteran, was in New Hampshire for five days working on Kerry's campaign. Source

Joseph Bangert, 55, a decorated Marine who met Kerry in 1970 after both became activists against the war, spent five days working as a volunteer in Kerry's campaign.

Bangert returned home yesterday, exhausted but still exhilarated.

"I woke up this morning and I noticed all these guys my age were putting their military hats and jackets on," Bangert said. "I think there's a whole bunch of people who are finding out, through this campaign, that it's OK to be a veteran."

Kerry's candidacy holds potential as "catharsis for the Vietnam generation," he said.

Bangert, of the Veterans for Kerry contingent, said Kerry has drawn together a formidable coalition of veterans, past and current anti-war activists and even some conservatives disenchanted with President Bush.

What they share, Bangert said, is anger at Bush and the federal government for cuts in veterans services and doubts that things will improve under the current commander-in-chief.

Bangert, hobbled by disability since the war, works as a volunteer teaching English to immigrant Brazilians.

He may rejoin the campaign with other veterans heading to South Carolina from Boston this weekend.

Monday night at 10, Kerry returned to campaign headquarters in Manchester for a final rally before the primary.

Kerry spotted Bangert and called out his name, then embraced him.

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Joe Bangert's "Testimony" Before The Winter Soldier Investigation

BANGERT. My name is Joe Bangert. I'm a Philadelphia resident. I enlisted in the Marine Corps for four years in 1967. I went to Vietnam in 1968. My unit in Vietnam was Marine Observation Squadron Six with the First Marine Air Wing and my testimony will cover the slaughter of civilians, the skinning of a Vietnamese woman, the type of observing our squadron did in Vietnam and the crucifixion of Vietnamese either suspects or civilians in Vietnam.

BANGERT. The first day I got to Vietnam I landed in Da Nang Air Base. I was picked up by a truckload of grunt Marines with two company grade officers, 1st Lts.; we were about 5 miles down the road, where there were some Vietnamese children at the gateway of the village and they gave the old finger gesture at us. It was understandable that they picked this up from the GIs there. They stopped the trucks--they didn't stop the truck, they slowed down a little bit, and it was just like response, the guys got up, including the lieutenants, and just blew all the kids away. There were about five or six kids blown away and then the truck just continued down the hill. That was my first day in Vietnam.

As far as the crucified bodies, they weren't actually crucified with nails, but they would find VCs or something (I never got the story on them) but, anyway, they were human beings, obviously dead, and they would take them and string them out on fences, on barbed wire fences, stripped, and sometimes they would take flesh wounds, take a knife and cut the body all over the place to make it bleed, and look gory as a reminder to the people in the village.

Also in Quang Tri City I had a friend who was working with USAID and he was also with CIA. We used to get drunk together and he used to tell me about his different trips into Laos on Air America Airlines and things. One time he asked me would I like to accompany him to watch. So I went with him and when we got there the ARVNs had control of the situation.

They didn't find any enemy but they found a woman with bandages. So she was questioned by six ARVNs and the way they questioned her, since she had bandages, they shot her. She was hit about twenty times. After she was questioned, and, of course, dead, this guy came over, who was a former major, been in the service for twenty years, and he got hungry again and came back over working with USAID, Aid International Development. He went over there, ripped her clothes off and took a knife and cut, from her vagina almost all the way up, just about up to her breasts and pulled her organs out, completely out of her cavity, and threw them out. Then, he stopped and knelt over and commenced to peel every bit of skin off her body and left her there as a sign for something or other and that was those instances.

BANGERT. Back to this specific instance where I talk about the disembowelment of the women--I think the person involved was a freaked out sexist, if that's what you're trying to get at. I think maybe he had problems. He had to be--he was in the Army for 20 years.

MODERATOR. Any of you gentlemen here on the panel, could you release any incidents of fragging that you ever heard of or saw?

BANGERT. A lifer was in charge of the mail. He stopped the mail for about three days because he wanted his troops to shine their shoes or something or clean up or shave or get a haircut and he stopped the mail. So someone told him if we don't get mail by noon on a specific day before midnight, that night you're going to be offered [sic]. But since he was hard and he was in the Korean War, he thought that what happened in the old Marine Corps is happening in Vietnam, he persisted and the mail wasn't gotten out and before midnight he was fragged.

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Bangert Among Group In New Hampshire Stumping For Senator

Bangert, a longtime Kerry friend and supporter, was in the Granite State working at the Kerry Headquarters as part of Veterans for Kerry.

Bangert was busy "working the phones," calling veterans and their families. It was a tough job at times, because voters were becoming somewhat jaded. "The poor people from New Hampshire, they've been courted" by all the campaigns," he said. "You'll call someone and they'll say, 'This is the eighteenth call I've gotten today.'" But his status as a veteran reaching out to a fellow veteran helped a lot, he said. "There is a connection immediately."

Bangert, who served as a Marine in Vietnam, first met Kerry shortly after he came home in 1970 and joined Vietnam Veterans Against the War, of which Kerry was a prominent member. The group marched to Valley Forge in September of that year, and Kerry spoke at the event. Bangert was impressed, and years later, in 1984, worked on Kerry's campaign.

Many veterans are drawn to Kerry - who served two tours of duty in Vietnam - because of his military service, said Bangert. Veterans, Bangert said, have been an untapped political resource. "Veterans account for 19 percent of the population, and they've never been mobilized," Bangert said.

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Joe Bangert's Response To Questions From Veterans On Alt.Vietnam - Usenet

From: GIjoe (bai@capecod.net)
Subject: Re: I told the truth at Winter Soldier,Amen!

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Newsgroups: alt.war.vietnam
Date: 2001-06-08 20:51:47 PST

 

I am the real Joe Bangert... 
For the record, I am not haunted by my actions in Viet Nam. Having chucked 
my medals over the fence during Operation Dewey Canyon III- my masculinity 
does not hinge on dusty old pieces of metal nor colorful ribbons garnered 
via tribal headbashing. 
The Winter Soldier Investigations were timely 
and followed the My Lai incident- what happened at My Lai (they the DOD lied) 
was not an isolated incident of aberrant behavior. Real veterans were 
assembled from many units and time frames to explain to the American people 
that what happened at Pinkville was- in a sense- SOP- you can deny it- but 
then you would be lying- and this was just as Nixon and his lying sack of 
shit administration who was elected to end the war but did NOT have a 
secret plan to end the war, but rather expanded the war into the whole 
Indochina theatre- 'Dewey Canyon I' operated in Laos in 1969- I was there 
in the sky on the ground briefly. Thank God. 
Then in 1970 Nixon's 
'limited incursion' into Cambodia ended in bitter defeat in seeking 'COSVN' 
and ended up with South Vietnamese troops (Hackman Vo's people) beheading 
Cambodians and eating their livers and hearts! Having been a helicopter 
crew member I helped saved countless lives of wounded and transported the 
dead and dying to their temporary resting places in the red clay of Quang 
Tri and Thua Thien, Laos and Quang Nam. 
This was followed by the assassination of American kids at Orangeburg and 
Kent State who opposed the fucking war! 
Being antiwar was a continuation of saving lives and preventing more killing 
and wounding. 
I am very proud that I worked tirelessly to undermine the Thieu regime and 
help the American people cut off all aid to the Nguyen Van Thieu clique 
They were/ and are fucking thieves and fascists. Wasn't it Nguyen Cao Ky 
(sun glasses and purple ascot) and a former French Air Force lackey who once 
said he greatly admired Adolph Hitler? 
You may recall that George Herbert 
Walker Bush as well as Babs flew into Hanoi to give a speech on behalf of 
Citibank (and was rewarded with a million Moonie bucks- was rumored to also 
be in the market to buy 1,000,000 M-16's left behind to be used as some sort 
of trophy for Viet Nam War buffs- the joke going on then in Thang Long town 
was "Who wants to but a million ARVN M-16's- never fired- dropped once!" 
I worked tirelessly after the war for reconciliation between our two 
peoples and nations. I have no regrets. And yes, unlike you traumatized 
hate-filled basket cases and right wing troglodytes I did go back and work 
in Viet Nam in my own pursuit of happiness. 
What I did is none of your concern. I'm okay with Viet Nam- there the 
war is way over, it is here that closure has not occurred. I have many 
friends over there as well as here. My friends over there include many 
former PAVN soldiers who once fought against me- their friendship is a gift 
which I cherish- I don't pretend you are my enemies today- but you sure act 
it. Think about this. I'll take them anyDAY over most of you. And that is 
a fact. 
It is 2001 boys- grow up and get a life- THE WAR IS OVER! IT's ALL OVER! 
WAR WHAT WAS IT GOOD FOR? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! ' 
Biet roi, kho lam, noi mai nhinh thi biet' as they might say to me ovewr a 
few cold Halidas or Con Ho's and that is the whole truth. 
Now back to your fragging- and self aggrandizing- you all deserve each 
other- I will drop in from time to time as is my perogative- and if you 
don't like it- well -tough shit then. 
I will not respond to your red baiting McCarthyite tactics and ad hominem 
arguments. 
Look at yourself in the mirror- what do you see? Pathetic nitwits. 
There is one lesson I did learn in the 'Nam - some of the best people I 
ever met served with me and some of the worst scurrilous scumbags were there 
as well, as you so much remind me from time to time- 
Well it is time for me to noi tieng Viet Nam so 
Tam Biet ya'll- and get a new target tomorrow- and that's the way it is. 
G.I. Joe < ;-) 
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From The Peggy Seeger (Sister Of Pete) Website

Dear Sister Peggy,

Greetings from Cape Cod! My name is Joe Bangert, and I eyed your name on the email list from an email I received today from a mutual friend- Barbara Dane- and was motivated to introduce myself to you and tell you- apart from my love of both you and your brother's musical and artistic contributions to at least three generations of my family- how gratified I am to share with you my deep admiration of Ewan's 'Ballad of Ho Chi Minh'.

Sure I learned it by heart- after returning home from my stint as a door gunner on a Marine helicopter in Quang Tri, Viet Nam circa 1969. Six months later I upped and joined the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), and later met Barbara in Paris at the World Assembly for the Peace and Independence of the Indochinese Peoples at Versailles. We had a great banquet with the diplomatic delegations of both the DRVN and the PRGSVN and later some music began- Barbara sang the 'Song of the Coats' and the only song the young boisterous delegation from the USA could all agree on singing together by heart when asked to sing 'an American worker's song' was "Mercedes Benz" by Janis Joplin.

Barbara then asked me to join her on the stage- for I had boldly decided to wear a close fitting shirt which had emblazened on the front of it- the flag of the National Liberation Front of south Viet Nam. It was then that I belted out both "We Will Liberate the South" (Giai Phong Mien Nam) the national anthem of the NLF in Vietnamese- for I am a linguist- and ended that portion of the show with the Ballad of Uncle Ho. It was a show stopper to say these least

Since then I have sang Ewan's delightful song over one thousand times indeed- and when I was working back in Viet Nam, in Ha Noi from 1992-1997 I had the occasion to sing it and teach it to virtually thousands upon thousands of younger Vietnamese boys and girls-I always give Ewan the credit for penning it.

I just wanted you to know that this song rocks even in 2002~!

Best Regards,

Joe Bangert

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For those of you who might not be familiar with the National Anthem of the Viet Cong, here are a few lyrics from "Giai Phong Mien Nam":

A good chance for the country has come
Dawn is lighting up everywhere
And our task is to build a more beautiful country

--by Huynh Minh Sieng.

And here is the start of the song, "The Ballad Of Ho Chin Minh":

Now Ho Chi Minh went to the mountains
And he trained a determined band
Heroes all, sworn to liberate the Indo-Chinese people
Drive invaders from the land.

--by Ewan MacColl

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JOE BANGERT  

Singer

Founding Member of Vietnam Veterans of America (VVA) Member of  'Hanoi Chapter of the ' Quang Tri- Thua Thien  Vietnamese Veterans Association'. Inducted into the Oglala Sioux Warrior Society after serving as a member of  security during the siege of Wounded Knee.

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[bigcat00]

Assuming for the sake of the argument that Bangert's and Kerry's statements about what they did in Viet Nam are true,
the Dems are running a war criminal, supported by other war criminals,for president. Does it excuse Kerry's self-confessed war crimes that he "repented" later?

The hypocrisy here is amazing. Bush is bad because he went into the Guard, but Kerry is good because he went to Viet Nam, committed war crimes, then virtually joined the other side thereafter. Someone explain this to me, 'cause I don't get it.

[Little Bill]

Even if we get their names how do we challenge their bona fides.

I was following a HON thread last night about this dude so out of curiosity I went to the "Winter Soldier" testimony web sit in VA, some edu, and looked up this guy who served in the same unit I served in, at the same time. He saw all kinds of horrible things, I never heard of.

No one remembers him, doesn't show up on web searches, certain things that he says shows a familiarity with the unit. Tracking some of these people may be a problem.

[ought-six]

"Why why why is the media silent on this horrible horrible candidate and his so called band of brothers."

Because al-Qerry is supported by the media. alQerry is the media choice for president.

[Big Horn]

Kerry is a traitor who gave aid and comfort to the enemy.

[OldFriend]

Remember the reaction to news about the other Kerrey's war 'crimes'

Of course, the dems wanted him out of the presidential running so it was in their interest to knock the guy out of the box big time!

[Hon]

"I'm not bragging when I say that I can smell a liar a mile away when it comes to someone making up stories about their experience in Vietnam. This guy Bangert makes me want to hurl and I only hope that Kerry keeps him around. Truthful Nam Vets will eat both of them alive!"

That is what has happened on usenet. There are scores of threads about Joe Bangert and his bogus claims. The vets had a field day with him.

Everyone should go take a look. Maybe I'll post some excerpts from a few of them.

[Hon]

"Assuming for the sake of the argument that Bangert's and Kerry's statements about what they did in Viet Nam are true, the Dems are running a war criminal, supported by other war criminals,for president. Does it excuse Kerry's self-confessed war crimes that he "repented" later?"

I'm thinking they should have BABY KILLERS FOR KERRY bumperstickers.

"The hypocrisy here is amazing. Bush is bad because he went into the Guard, but Kerry is good because he went to Viet Nam, committed war crimes, then virtually joined the other side thereafter. Someone explain this to me, 'cause I don't get it."

Yes, and Bangert himself calls Bush AWOL. But at the time Bangert and company were calling for people to dodge the draft, go to Canada or even go to Sweden. If they were in the military he and his kind were calling for them to desert or mutiny.

So it is the height of hypocrisy for them to taunt Bush because he did not end up in Vietnam. It shows how twisted their thinking is.

[Hon]

Here are a couple excerpts from veterans' responses to Bangert's bogus claims:

My first day in Vietnam - By Nigel Brooks

August 16, 1966 - Arrived Tan Son Nhut courtesy of World Airways
Loaded onto green Army buses with mesh over windows and taken to the 90th
Replacement Battalion - Camp Alpha - Long Binh. Surprised as hell that
no-one was shooting at me (I'd seen the Sands of Iwo Jima about four weeks
previously).

Processed in given Rogers Rangers card and other associated stuff, told
about the bennie of being able to write home for free. Found duffle bag
thrown in with other bags in tent - don't remember if I was assigned a tent
to sleep in or not.

Spent next three days making formations and dodging work details. Took
shower in rain cause the stuff they trucked in was all gone.

Wondered how a canvas blivet could hold drinking water without leaking,
wondered why in the hell they were allowing the Vietnamese to walk around
.the camp.

Got picked up by unit and rode in the back of a duece and a half waving at
the pretty Vietnamese girls on their hondas. Never saw one crucified
person in the 5 years I stayed there

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You ever see one skinned Nigel? Naw, me either but I’d like to hear more
about that one. Hot damn! I bet that story was a big hit in the bar that
night.

Bill Clarke
F Troop, 17th Cav

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&threadm=9dc3ih01spq%40enews4.newsguy.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3D%2522Joe%2BBangert%2522%26num%3D100%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN%26tab%3Dwg

[Ditto]

Pete,

FYI. Sounds like another guy building a ruseme here. Any info?

[Hon]

Another response to Bangert's "testimony":

Dear Readers,
We now come to where the rubber meets the road. The actual testimony
of one Joe Bangert in front of the Winter Soldier Follies.
Think back to that day long ago when you disembarked from your ship or
stepped off the ladder from the plane and set foot on Vietnam for the
first time.
Think back to those first hours in-country. What were your
impressions, your experiences?
All will pale in front of the first day of Joe Bangert's Vietnam! Joe
saw savagery and wanton murder before most of us were out of
in-processing!
Oh, the humanity!

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MODERATOR. Mr. Bangert, there's an incident here where you found
crucified bodies hanging on barbed wire fences and in the same
incident you witnessed South Vietnamese civilians shot without
provocation on Highway 1. Could you go into this and kind of see how
they are related?

BANGERT. I can cover a couple of these at the same time. The first day
I got to Vietnam I landed in Da Nang Air Base. From Da Nang Air Base I
took a plane to Dong Ha. I got off the plane and hitchhiked on Highway
1 to my unit. I was picked up by a truckload of grunt Marines with two
company grade officers, 1st Lts.; we were about 5 miles down the road,
where there were some Vietnamese children at the gateway of the
village and they gave the old finger gesture at us. It was
understandable that they picked this up from the GIs there. They
stopped the trucks--they didn't stop the truck, they slowed down a
little bit, and it was just like response, the guys got up, including
the lieutenants, and just blew all the kids away. There were about
five or six kids blown away and then the truck just continued down the
hill. That was my first day in Vietnam.

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I became intrigued with this right from his first sentence.
The Army had personnel and movement controls in place (for the most
part) that caught incoming personnel and ran them through processing
of paperwork, issuance of weapons, equipment, review of Geneva & Hague
Conventions, non-combat dangers such as bar girls and malaria, etc.,
before shipping the new warfighter off to his Divisional or Brigade
unit. As I recall most folks ended up staying at least one night in
Can Ranh Bay or Saigon or Freedom Hill in Danang before shipping out.
Did the Marines instead just let you get off one plane and onto
another and pick your own destination? For most Army guys the orders
we left the States with had nothing to do with the unit we ended up
assigned to -- as Personnel told me, the orders were just to get you
over there, and they'd decide where you went once you were there.

Alas, we don't want to get caught up in the small lies, there are so
many big ones!
Moving on, Mr Bangert hitchhikes up Highway 1 with a truckload of
grunts and two company grade officers. Five miles down the road he
can't decide if they stopped the truck or didn't stop the truck to
murder five or six kids ... all of them including the officers just
mowed them down. Except, of course, our boy Bangert....though I'm not
sure as he doesn't account for his own actions at that moment. Did he
simply watch as an "audience?" Did he fire along with experienced
grunts and officers?
I don't know about you, dear reader, but my own memories of being
given the finger by kids in Vietnam was that we laughed like hell at
them; the worst thing we threw at them was Ham & Limas.
But here we have a truckload of grunts and officers, stopping (or not
stopping) and having a Mad Minute on the tykes.

I have to admit that I'm having trouble suspending disbelief for this
one.

But allowing this tall tale to stand for a moment, let's consider what
happened next.
Next? Why, there is no next! We are left to assume that Bangert made
it to his unit that first day. We are also left to assume that Mr.
Bangert was pleased and comfortable with his experience on that
truckload of grunts and officers.
Which raises a question about the Winter Soldier Follies: Why didn't
anyone ask the question, "What did you do about it?
As a matter of fact, that question is conspicously absent throughout
the testimony. Bangert apparently did nothing, and that's just okay by
the WS Follies.
What do you think?

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[Ditto]

Marine Inspector,

What do you think of this Bangert guy's story? Sounds full of it to me. I was told you may be able to shed some light.

[Marine Inspector]

Sorry, I had never heard of this guy until I read this thread.

Personally, it smells of BS.

[Hon]

Since Bangert is so busy getting out the Vietnam Veteran vote for Kerry, I thought I'd whip up a bumper sticker for him:

(My first foray into graphics. Using pathetic MS Paint.)

[bellas_sister]

Bumpity, bump, bump

[rwfromkansas]

bump

[JDoutrider]

Bangert probably was a company clerk Bump! His story is so far from the truth, I doubt he ever set foot in Nam...

[Hon]

A lot of the veterans at alt.vietnam.war seem to be of the same opinion.

I think he was probably there, but he has gotten carried away with his active imagination. It was a way for him to get attention--and now he is stuck with his stories.

Same is true of Scott Camil.