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The Facts Show 2.4 Million Jobs Created Under Bush

The media and Democrats keep repeating it over and over: "2.3 million jobs lost" since President Bush took office. His could be the worst job record since before World War II, they claim. One little problem: It's not true.

Not only has there been no net loss of jobs during the Bush administration, there has been a net gain, even with the devastation of 9/11. At least 2.4 million jobs have been created since the president took office, 2 million of those in 2003. The gains more than offset the losses.

While Democrats continue to beat their election-year drums about outsourcing, manufacturing losses, unemployment and slow growth in employment, America's economy has been steadily creating jobs.

At least 366,000 jobs have been created in the last five months, over 100,000 of those in January, White House press secretary Scott McClellan has noted. And though the eight-month recession "officially" ended in November, economic indicators are surprising economists and pointing toward a take-off in the recovery.

The signs:

The 5.6 percent unemployment rate is the lowest in two years and below the average of the 1980s (7.3 percent) and '90s (5.8 percent), and still continues to drop.

The nation's economic output revealed the strongest quarterly growth in 20 years. The data for the fourth quarter of 2003 show that the civilian labor force rose by 333,000, while the number of unemployed in the labor force dropped by 575,000. Even better, the number of so-called discouraged workers declined in December.

Consumer spending grew between 4 percent and 5 percent last year, and real hourly earnings rose 1.5 percent. Real earnings have risen over the last three years.

Exports doubled to 19 percent in the fourth quarter, compared to less than 9 percent in the third.

The number of American workers is at an all-time high of 138.5 million, a level never before attained in U.S. history.

Jobless claims are 10 percent below the average of the last 25 years and still falling. Hiring indices are up, even in manufacturing. Productivity growth is extremely high.

Now the doomsayers are criticizing the validity of the unemployment rate, which at 5.6 percent does not fit their gloomy story. Faulty Counting The problem is the areas of biggest job growth are usually not even being counted at all.

Though 75 percent of jobs are created by small companies, according to the Small Business Administration, this sector's entrepreneurial activity and the jobs it creates are left out by Washington bean counters when calculating official new job numbers. The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) does its Payroll Survey by phoning businesses to crunch the number of jobs that have been gained or lost. This is where Democrats grabbed onto their lifeline, the 2.3 million figure. Look only at the Payroll Survey, and there has been a gain of only 522,000 jobs since Bush took office.

But here's the rub. The Household Survey is used to determine the unemployment rate and accounts for those who are self-employed, and small emerging businesses that might be overlooked by the Payroll Survey. But the number of U.S. firms isn't static, and the "fixed list" used by the BLS for phoning established businesses does not reflect new entrepreneurial activity.

People are called at home and asked if they have jobs, or if they are in the market for a job. In contrast to the Payroll Survey, the Household Survey shows that 2.4 million jobs have been created so far during Bush's time in office. As Economy.com writer Haseeb Ahmed recently wrote, "something is amiss in the [Payroll] survey."

Credit Where Credit Is Due

That's not all. When doomsayers, and media spoiling for a fight in an election year, laughed at Bush's prediction of 2.6 million new jobs this year, not everyone was scoffing.

Ahmed, Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan and others hardly batted an eye. Greenspan said it was "probably feasible" the economy would reach the Bush administration's forecast of adding 2.6 million jobs this year, provided growth continues and the productivity rate slows to more typically levels.

"I don't think it's 'Fantasyland,'" Greenspan said. "I agree with him," said John Ryding, chief market economist at Bear Stearns. "I think that we will create 2.5 million, possibly more, jobs over the balance of the year."

Ahmed is convinced that "the revision patterns of the early-1990s recovery cycle" will be repeated. A total of 1.4 million job gains were revised upward to 2.9 million in the first 21 months after the end of the last recession, just after Bush Sr. was voted out of office.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/2/25/171833.shtml

If elected, will John Kerry get credit for the jobs created under the Bush administration?

1 posted on 03/06/2004 11:14:49 PM PST by MaineVoter2002
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Sorry about the duplicated post within the thread.

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2 posted on 03/06/2004 11:18:45 PM PST by MaineVoter2002
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To: MaineVoter2002
The gains more than offset the losses.

So the number of people in the US workforce has remained constant for 3 years?

Also this article manages to skate over that a lot of this job creation is in government, not in private industry.
5 posted on 03/06/2004 11:33:06 PM PST by lelio
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To: MaineVoter2002
Bump!
6 posted on 03/06/2004 11:37:02 PM PST by MadMoo
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To: MaineVoter2002
One talking head earlier this evening stated the current 5.6% unemployment figure is lower than the average unemployment for the full eight years of Clinton's term in office. Now that's a factoid that seldom gets airtime.
11 posted on 03/06/2004 11:39:40 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: MaineVoter2002
The Facts Show 2.4 Million Jobs Created Under Bush

The downside is that half of those jobs created are for government employees, and the other half for illegal aliens.

16 posted on 03/06/2004 11:42:03 PM PST by SpyGuy
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To: MaineVoter2002
But here's the rub. The Household Survey is used to determine the unemployment rate and accounts for those who are self-employed, and small emerging businesses that might be overlooked by the Payroll Survey. But the number of U.S. firms isn't static, and the "fixed list" used by the BLS for phoning established businesses does not reflect new entrepreneurial activity.

The Payroll Survey is biased torwards companies that outsource. The Household survey samples random households.

Now which one is the better sample? Anybody?

32 posted on 03/06/2004 11:55:23 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: MaineVoter2002
Bump!
85 posted on 03/07/2004 1:02:48 AM PST by Cold Heat (In politics stupidity is not a handicap. --Napoleon Bonapart)
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To: MaineVoter2002
*BUMP*!
93 posted on 03/07/2004 4:11:01 AM PST by ex-Texan
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To: MaineVoter2002
The nation seems to be over its quota of economic idiots right now who want to make jobs the issue in the 2004 presidential race. "Outsourcing" is the big buzz-word right now, and both the politicians and the media-types are eager to tell you how many jobs have been lost overseas because of the outsourcing phenomenon.

OK ... here are some statistics. And NO, they don't come from some conservative think tank or some research group under the control of the Republican Party. They come from the Labor Department's. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

The peak unemployment rate during the recession that began in Clinton's term was 6.4 percent. The current unemployment rate is 5.6 percent. In the last year more than 2,000,000 new jobs have been added in the United States. Between 1983 and 2003 outsourcing went from 6.5 million jobs to about 10 million jobs. Between 1983 and 2002 jobs in-sourcing -- jobs coming TO the United States -- went from 2.5 million to 6.5 million. If you subtract the jobs coming to the United States every year from the jobs going out every year you come up with a "net" figure. The net outsourced jobs reached its peak in the early 1980's; a peak of about 4 million jobs. In other words, things were worse at the end of the Carter Administration then they are right now. During this same period ... from '83 to '03 a total of 38 million jobs have been created by private businesses in the United States. No other industrialized country in the world has matched this number. S

110 posted on 03/07/2004 6:15:30 AM PST by jslade (People who are easily offended, OFFEND ME!)
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To: MaineVoter2002
For those who don't consider NewsMax a reliable source, here are some other VERY reliable sources that confirm what you have said:

http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD%2FMGArticle%2FRTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031774134551&path=!business!columnists&s=1045855934868

http://www.investors.com/register/default.asp?/ibdarchives/artshow.asp?atn=158756559569663&sy=&kw=unemployment&ps=winName=registration

http://www.investors.com/register/default.asp?/ibdarchives/artshow.asp?atn=157881731831636&sy=&kw=unemployment&ps=winName=registration

CNN called 5.6% unemployment rate terrific in 1996 under Clinton. Now it's the same and it's abysmal.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1087145/posts
111 posted on 03/07/2004 6:16:08 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: MaineVoter2002
We've been touting the household survey here for a few weeks now, I'm glad the White House is starting to point it out. I think the reason the business survey continues to disappoint is because since 3 million jobs have been created, how much room is there for more?
112 posted on 03/07/2004 6:21:28 AM PST by #3Fan (Kerry to POW-MIA activists: "You'll wish you'd never been born.". Link on my homepage.)
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To: MaineVoter2002
ROFLOL, yeah, he grew government to the point that most of that job creation was new government jobs. Fighting ones way through this blizzard of figgures and dazzling numeric footwork, there is no mention of from what sectors these jobs sprang from.
115 posted on 03/07/2004 7:00:14 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: MaineVoter2002
BUMP!
133 posted on 03/07/2004 3:44:54 PM PST by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: MaineVoter2002
BTTT
134 posted on 03/07/2004 4:07:11 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: MaineVoter2002
Is this true?
137 posted on 03/07/2004 6:22:15 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)
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To: MaineVoter2002
CLINTON ECONOMY VS. BUSH ECONOMY

During Clinton's "Great Economy" back in 1996:
Unemployment was at 5.6%
Average wage was $11.82/hr.
Inflation was 3.3%

During George W. Bush's "miserable failure" economy of 2004:
Unemployment is at 5.6%
Average wage is $15.40/hr.
Inflation is 1.9%

So 5.6% unemployment is lousy today, because a Republican is in the White House? Funny, back in 1996, CNN said that 5.6% unemployment was LOW! Amazing how the spin changes, depending on who is in power.

The Dems, paleo-protectionists and the lamestream media don't want us to see the true picture, and realize that the Bush economy is pretty good, all things (terrorist attacks, war, etc.) considered.

Find out the rest, in CNN's own words, at this thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1087145/posts
140 posted on 03/07/2004 7:55:15 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Con Presidente Bush, vamos por buen camino.)
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To: nutmeg
read later bump
142 posted on 03/07/2004 9:20:30 PM PST by nutmeg (Why vote for Bush? Imagine Commander in Chief John F’in Kerry)
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To: MaineVoter2002
bttt
144 posted on 03/08/2004 1:54:26 AM PST by Finalapproach29er (" Permitting homosexuality didn't work out very well for the Roman Empire")
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To: MaineVoter2002
Certainly, compared to prior "post-war recoveries" this one is weak at best.
146 posted on 03/08/2004 10:58:27 AM PST by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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To: MaineVoter2002
Don't forget when people are unemployed its because of many things, not just lack of jobs. Two big reasons are: the democrat controlled, National Education Association guidelined government education system that doesn't prepare children to graduate from high school with the credentials to succeed, and lawsuits that drain or close businesses, and prevent job creation. There are many more. If you want to point the finger at someone,point it at your elected rep for allowing it to happen.
147 posted on 03/08/2004 12:06:47 PM PST by ampat (to)
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