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San Francisco presents arguments in defense of same-sex marriage
AP via Herald-Tribune ^ | March 06. 2004 | LISA LEFF

Posted on 03/06/2004 6:12:51 AM PST by calcowgirl

SAN FRANCISCO -- Attorneys for the city of San Francisco are ready to take their fight over gay marriage all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Arguing that municipal authorities are “independently responsible” to uphold the U.S. Constitution, city attorneys Friday increased the chance that the nation’s highest court would be needed to decide the legality of San Francisco’s same-sex marriages.

In documents filed with the California Supreme Court, the city’s attorneys said that nothing in the state constitution requires local officials to obey laws they believe infringe on the civil rights of their citizens.

The filing was a response to efforts by the state attorney general and a Christian public interest law firm to invalidate the 3,632 same-sex marriages that have been sanctioned in San Francisco during the last three weeks.

“Their rush to force immediate obeisance to discriminatory marriage laws asks this court to ignore our decentralized, federalist constitutional democracy,” City Attorney Dennis Herrera wrote in defense of the city’s defiance. “Barring local governments from taking independent actions to conform their conduct to the state and federal constitutions would undermine this system of government.”

Herrera said later that by invoking the federal constitution, his staff had assured that the case would “potentially, certainly” wind up before the U.S. Supreme Court if the California court rules against the city.

“It is our position, and we know it’s fairly strong, that the equal protection clause of the state and federal constitutions protects all people, not just straight people,” Herrera said.

The state Supreme Court had ordered the city to respond to a pair of petitions asking for a prompt judicial declaration on the legality of the same-sex marriages, but the justices have not indicated when they might rule in the case.

Justices could act on the petitions already filed, schedule a future hearing on the issues, or send the matter to a lower court for trial.

“This is a no-brainer - it’s an open-and-shut case,” said Randy Thomasson, the executive director of the Campaign for California Families, one of the conservative groups trying to halt the weddings.

“The state Supreme Court should have no problem putting a restraining order. ... San Francisco has been breaking the law and turning marriage upside down for more than three weeks now. People are tired of this. The system of law is tired of it too.”

Attorney General Bill Lockyer and the Arizona-based Alliance Defense Fund, who are trying to stop the weddings, argue that an existing section of the California constitution prohibits “administrative agencies” of the state from declaring laws unconstitutional on their own.

The Alliance Defense Fund also filed a supplemental legal brief Friday that included declarations from experts that same-sex unions would cause severe social problems and higher suicide rates among children of gay couples. The organization filed its petition on behalf of three San Francisco residents who oppose marriage rights for same-sex couples.

“Children who don’t come from traditional families suffer from higher rates of social harms,” ADF lawyer Robert Tyler said at a news conference.

The attorney general and the Alliance Defense Fund have asked the Supreme Court to leapfrog the lower court where legal challenges to the disputed marriage licenses also have been lodged. Herrera wants the Supreme Court to decline to accept the case for now.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: adf; billlockyer; homosexualagenda; marriage; prisoners; sf; stunt

1 posted on 03/06/2004 6:12:51 AM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
Note that no governmental official has taken any action. Simply talk, discussion, debate and the expression of different points of view. Number two, watch what the courts do i.e. this perversion will be legalized FORTHWITH! The proper response was initially quite simple-a policeman would have arrrested them. But, that would take strength.
2 posted on 03/06/2004 6:22:56 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (Further, the statement assumed)
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To: calcowgirl
Democrats are big supporters of States Rights -- on gay marriage. Not, mind you, for abortion or gun control. But gay marriage is a real States Rights issue. Unless, of course, the state has a law that says gay marriage is not allowed. Then the Democrats become big supporters of Municipal Rights. And if that doesn't work ...

Hint to Democrats: this isn't something th American public wants. You can slice it and dice it, but gay marriage isn't going to win majority support.

3 posted on 03/06/2004 6:38:15 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (You can see it coming like a train on a track.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Amendment Text:

Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman.
Neither this Constitution or the constitution of any State, nor state or federal law,
shall be construed to require that marital status or the legal incidents thereof be conferred
upon unmarried couples or groups
.


H.J. Res. 56 and S.J. Res. 26

Please note: it does not mention homsexuals at all.

It baseically bans
"whatever-else-a-deviant-mind-can-think-of" marriage.
The could easily be called the polygamy ban.

4 posted on 03/06/2004 7:27:11 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: little jeremiah; *Homosexual Agenda; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; ...
Ping (little jeremiah is busy today)


What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda


Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Version 1.1)


The Stamp of Normality

5 posted on 03/06/2004 7:34:08 AM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: calcowgirl
“Barring local governments from taking independent actions to conform their conduct to the state and federal constitutions would undermine this system of
government.”

Sooo...does this mean SF will start protecting the Second Amendment, too? Ain't it odd how liberals see things in the Constitution that aren't there, but can't seem to see what clearly is???
6 posted on 03/06/2004 7:36:35 AM PST by Spok
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To: Spok
Ain't it odd how liberals see things in the Constitution that aren't there, but can't seem to see what clearly is???

Odd, yes. And predictable too.

7 posted on 03/06/2004 7:50:11 AM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
This city is bleeding in red ink, but they will find the money to pursue this. Of course.
8 posted on 03/06/2004 8:02:08 AM PST by I_Love_My_Husband (Borders, Language, Culture, Straights - now more than ever)
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To: calcowgirl
Why has our society allowed the media to whip this into a frenzy. We should all simply ignore this nonsense as long as it remains nonsense, which it is at this point.

Let these social and biological deviants have their ceremonies . What does it matter as long as these ceremonies have no legal standing this is much to do about nothing. If there is a real fear that our judicial will overturn common sense and morality then either ignore, eliminate or replace them.

The proposed constitutional amendment is a misplaced knee jerk. The critics are right on this issue. Our Constitution is a document the protects civil rights. Deviancy can be controlled by simple civil law without altering the intent of the Constitution. Discrimination should be handled on a personal level within the protections provided by our Constitution. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is best defined by community standards.

Let's get on with our lives and spend our energies on things that matter.

9 posted on 03/06/2004 9:36:47 AM PST by Amerigomag
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To: EdReform
“This is a no-brainer - it’s an open-and-shut case,” said Randy Thomasson....wish this were true, but I have my doubts!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10 posted on 03/06/2004 9:57:23 AM PST by GrandMoM (how could I not have hope in JESUS....MY WOUNDS WERE HEALED BY HIS WOUNDS-Mel Gibson)
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To: Amerigomag
Drip ...drip ... drip ...

It’s Okay For a Cop (the New Key West Police Chief) To Have sex With a Minor (17 yr old boy)

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11 posted on 03/06/2004 10:00:15 AM PST by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee
Drip ...drip ... drip ...

My observation didn't warrant a leap to that conclusion.

City Manager Julio Avael continues to argue that it’s okay for a cop to have sex with a 17-year-old-boy. I advised: then either ignore, eliminate or replace them.

I suggested: Deviancy can be controlled by simple civil law without altering the intent of the Constitution. The courts acknowledged this fact when the 5th District Court of Appeals ordered the man to be resentanced to 26 years in prison!

I further observed: Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is best defined by community standards. Apparently Mr. Cooper, the author of this piece sees it that way also.

Mr. Cooper and I obviously both agree that Discrimination should be handled on a personal level

12 posted on 03/06/2004 10:57:55 AM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag
well they arrested Cooper for reporting on this police department

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13 posted on 03/06/2004 11:02:46 AM PST by Elle Bee
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To: Amerigomag
Bump
14 posted on 03/06/2004 11:06:33 AM PST by VRWC For Truth
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To: Elle Bee
well they arrested Cooper for reporting on this police department

Then it's time to clean up their act, or isolate them.

15 posted on 03/06/2004 11:18:50 AM PST by Amerigomag
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To: calcowgirl
“Their rush to force immediate obeisance to discriminatory marriage laws asks this court to ignore our decentralized, federalist constitutional democracy,” City Attorney Dennis Herrera wrote in defense of the city’s defiance.

He obviously has no idea what "discriminatory," "marriage," "law," "federalist," "constitution," or "democracy" mean.

16 posted on 03/06/2004 4:44:25 PM PST by MegaSilver
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To: calcowgirl
Attorney General Bill Lockyer and the Arizona-based Alliance Defense Fund, who are trying to stop the weddings, argue that an existing section of the California constitution prohibits “administrative agencies” of the state from declaring laws unconstitutional on their own.

Which raises the question: Did Lockyer inform Gavin Newsom and his band of high-heel goose steppers of this when he was given the heads-up that Newsom was about to do just that?

17 posted on 03/08/2004 8:40:32 AM PST by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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