It's sacraments vs. rights

Boston Globe ^ | 3/4/2004 | Ellen Goodman

[rface]

I UNDERSTAND the compulsion to "energize the base," but couldn't Republicans have found something a little less toxic than this brew of Gaytorade?

When President Bush came out in favor of a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, he was stirring up a cocktail to keep the cultural warriors in the party. It's assumed that this elixir will give them a sugar high all the way to the election.

[tpaine]

I think you're interpreting it wrong. -- In 'good faith' a State can refuse to recognize such a civil contract as a traditional 'marriage'.
-- They must recognize it as a valid contract, of course, -- but they wouldn't be obliged to give it state tax/insurance benefits etc, -- that I can see.

--- it seems to me that is the very line of reasoning that the people who insist that marriage is a civil right being denied to gays will use as the pretext for litigation, citing the "full faith and credit" clause.

Let them try.. We've needed many of these socalled civil rights issues settled for quite some time. -- States powers will win the day, because the 10th amendment is quite clear.
-- The feds lack power to dictate to the states as long as States themselves abide by the principles of our constitution.

That's the real kicker of course.. The States don't really want to abide by the constitution any more that the feds do..

[my_pointy_head_is_sharp]

Personally, one wonders why gay folks want to get "married," really.

It's just to make a mockery of marriage, in the same way that the Satanic Church makes a mockery of the Christian Church, by having a mass but with everything reversed.

[betty boop]

That's the real kicker of course.. The States don't really want to abide by the constitution any more than the feds do..

tpaine, my strong suspicion is: You are absolutely right about that.

Thanks for writing my friend.

[betty boop]

It's just to make a mockery of marriage....

I totally agree; indeed, that would seem to be the entire point of the exercise.

Kill marriage, kill the family. Kill prospects for decent nurturing and education of children. Kill the future.

Such a positive agenda -- NOT!!!

Thanks so much for writing, Mr. or Ms. Sharp. Great stuff.

[unspun]

Kill marriage, kill the family. Kill prospects for decent nurturing and education of children. Kill the future.

Kill the prospects, for the 74% of the children we don't kill outright....

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[betty boop]

This is at its heart an artificial controversy, there is no reason at all that 5000 years of settled law must suddenly be a crisis that won't wait. To watch the press moving in lockstep on this issue is startling, and I see no evidence that they even question their own manipulation.

Kudos, marron. You totally nail this issue. Your analytical reasoning on the evidence is IMO faultless.

Would that people would actually take such a brilliant evaluation to heart, and do something to help fix the sociopolitical mess we are all in, no matter how seemingly "small." Just to get one's thoughts straight on acutely vital issues would be an enormous social help, if you were to ask me.

Your last point -- that they [i.e., the elite media class] are incapable of even questioning their own manipulation [e.g., by ideologically-driven and largely self-selected elites] is truly chilling.

Yet I suppose the fact remains both have been to the same elite schools. Elite schools which, in embracing the blandishments of Left Progressive ideologies of all stripes, from fascism to communism and all stops in between, have separated themselves from their own historical foundations; not to mention from Western Culture itself, whose transmission down the generations was the founding principle of their own establishments.

Why would the American people want to continue to pay salaries to people like this? If they are so clueless and so faithless, then they can't possibly be serving our interests in the first place, let alone be responsible or accountable to us for their actions in office -- whether in academic chairs, in the media, or in public office.

Yikes!!!

Thank you for yet another beautiful essay, marron. As usual, it is lapidary.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so very much for your posts! Indeed, there is much to do and we must never despair.

[Alamo-Girl]

Excellent essays! Thank y'all!

[Ken H]

A State does not have to honor professional licenses granted in another State.

I've read on FR about attorneys licensed to practice in New York and Florida, for example. (wasn't there a controversy about whether David Boies was licensed to practice in Florida in 2000?)

It seems to me that what applies to professional licenses would apply to marriage licenses as well.

[lentulusgracchus]

It's just to make a mockery of marriage, in the same way that the Satanic Church makes a mockery of the Christian Church, by having a mass but with everything reversed.

No, actually, it's about turning the tables morally on the upright. It's about using a rival source of moral authority to controvert, contradict, and then interdict the moral judgment embodied in Genesis, Leviticus, and the New Testament epistles of Paul, Peter, and Jude against homosexuality.