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This image was taken by Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity's front hazard-avoidance camera, providing a circular sign of the success of the rover's first grinding of a rock. The round, shallow hole seen in this image is on a rock dubbed 'McKittrick,' located in the 'El Capitan' area of the larger outcrop near Opportunity's landing site.(NASA (news - web sites)/JPL)


1 posted on 03/01/2004 7:57:34 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
Do the rovers have microscopes capable of seeing Martian single celled bugs? Do they have life detection experiements on them?
2 posted on 03/01/2004 8:00:39 PM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: NormsRevenge
I think they found this

3 posted on 03/01/2004 8:02:42 PM PST by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: NormsRevenge
The Martian ambassador has agreed to destroy all of Mars's WMDs. The Democrats state that our invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with it and it won't make us safer anyway.
4 posted on 03/01/2004 8:02:46 PM PST by KarlInOhio (The idea of five Supreme Court justices appointed by President Kerry chills me to the bone.)
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To: NormsRevenge
I guess I should be excited. Don't know why I'm not. I figure that because of cost they "have to" find something :')
5 posted on 03/01/2004 8:02:51 PM PST by CindyDawg
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These shots are from the Mars Rover site,images section,,

Opportunity :: Panoramic Camera :: Sol 036



Right Panoramic Camera Non-linearized Full frame EDR acquired on
Sol 36 of Opportunity's mission to Meridiani Planum at approximately
13:06:41 Mars local solar time, camera commanded to use
Filter 1 (719 nm). NASA/JPL/Cornell
Right Panoramic Camera Non-linearized Full frame EDR acquired on Sol 36 of Opportunity's mission to Meridiani Planum at approximately 13:06:41 Mars local solar time, camera commanded to use Filter 1 (719 nm). NASA/JPL/Cornell

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6 posted on 03/01/2004 8:03:12 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ... Support Our Troops! ... NO NO NO NO on Props 55-58)
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To: NormsRevenge
Appears NASA will just miss the Long John silvers Mars challenge :^(

Long John Silver's announced on January 16 that it will give America free Giant Shrimp if NASA's Mars Exploration Rover project finds conclusive evidence of an ocean on Mars by February 29, 2004. With the successful landing of a second Rover, America can now pull for either "Spirit" or "Opportunity" to find conclusive evidence of an ocean.

12 posted on 03/01/2004 8:08:44 PM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: NormsRevenge
Wired Magazine has a fascinating article on a place on the earth that has no visible sign of life. They have been checking it for years, they believe it mimics Mars very well! The Chile Desert in South America:

Mars on Earth

In the middle of the driest desert in the world, NASA gets ready to invade the Red Planet.
By David L. Chandler


18 posted on 03/01/2004 8:13:31 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Bump to find out:

God DOES exist!

24 posted on 03/01/2004 8:17:37 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Officials with the National Aeronautics and Space Administration announced that Mars scientists from the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, were flying to Washington for a "significant" announcement, but shied away from saying what it would be.

I am salivating in anticipation.

"I can't confirm what they are going to say ... just that it's a significant ... finding," by the rover Opportunity, JPL spokesman Guy Webster said.

Oh man, this is like being a little kid at Christmas....

25 posted on 03/01/2004 8:18:12 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: NormsRevenge; Phil V.
I found this link on the space.com message boards. Two of the guys at the conference tommorrow ,John Grotzinger and Benton Clark, are going to publish this paper, along with some other authors, this month.

Transient Liquid Water as a Mechanism for Induration of Soil Crusts on Mars

53 posted on 03/01/2004 9:35:50 PM PST by Paradox (Cogito ergo Womb.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Speculation was rife on Monday that space scientists were on the verge of announcing they had discovered evidence that Mars was once a wet and warm planet, possibly capable of sustaining microscopic life forms...Evidence of rocks or soil that formed in water would help validate scientists' theories that for the first half of its 4.6 billion-year existence, Mars had plentiful surface water -- even rain and snow -- and possibly, life. Opportunity and Spirit, now in sol 57 on the other side of the planet, were designed to search for signs of water for at least 90 days, or as long as their solar-powered batteries last."

A basic definition of Abiogenesis is: the chance origination of life from lifeless matter.
When abiogenesis comes up in the course of creation/evolution debates, darwinists
sometimes object that "abiogenesis is a non-issue, and has nothing to do with evolution,
because evolution only occurs with living things." ...Not true. There is a scientific term
--"pre-biotic evolution"-- which concerns evolution of biochemicals leading up to life.
And if abiogenesis is such a "non-issue," then why do Dawkins, Gould and many other
major darwinists trouble themselves to explain how it must have happened?
Why such excited headlines over the possible evidence of life on the Mars rock?
Why all the money and effort spent by SETI, and NASA (most recently on the Mars Rover probes), and many others to find life in space? (...or to find water, which --to many-- almost equals life). This is admittedly NASA's main reson for the effort. And why does every newly discovered planet (or moon) that might have water on it cause such a hopeful stir?


Oh, abiogenesis is a big issue, alright, because materialists (who believe that matter alone is real --and not intelligent spirit-beings) need a materialist explanation for the origin of life, which supposedly then evolves to higher forms. The late Carl Sagan once said that if only one planet has life on it, that could be a miracle; but if there is life on two (or more), it proves life to be a natural evolutionary process, and atheists can sleep soundly.

Sagan and others have advanced this point of view, even though it is not a valid conclusion to say that abiogenesis is "proven" by the mere presence of life in space ...or on earth for that matter. --The only issue is how that life could have originated.

Spontaneous Generation Redux

For more than one hundred years biologists have taught that spontaneous generation of life from non-living matter (believed in by the ancient Romans) was disproven by the work of Redi, Spallanzani, and ultimately Pasteur in 1859. This work was so conclusive, that biology codified the "Law of Biogenesis," which states that life only comes from previously existing life. ---However, in recent decades, it is quite amazing to consider that "modern" abiogenesis protagonists have actually revived spontaneous generation (in a biochemical form) in the minds of many biologists! This revived "creation myth" is tenaciously (almost irrationally) adhered to despite the lack of a convincing body of evidence to show that abiogenesis did happen --and not even with a coherent schema of biochemical mechanisms and pathways to theorize and demonstrate how such spontaneous generation could have a reasonable probability of occurring.

In contrast, however, Intelligent Design (ID) theorists (and creationists), think the probabilities and facts of nature come down in favor of ID, and against abiogenesis. --ID upholds the Law of Biogenesis, since the original source of biological life would be a living designer.

A good number of the major darwinist web sites address this issue, and my darwinist friends have brought pro-abiogenesis articles to my attention ---including, for example, one by Ian F. Musgrave, which can be found at the following web address:


http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/default.htm
and also the article, "From Primordial Soup to the Prebiotic Beach," with an interview of evolutionist biologist Dr. Stanley L. Miller (who did the electric-discharge experiment discussed below). The URL is :


http://www.accessexcellence.org/RC/miller.html
(This includes other articles in support of abiogenesis.)

All The Answers

To hear some scientists (such as Carl Sagan) tell it, one would almost think that evolutionists virtually have the loose ends all tied up concerning the origin of life from chemicals (abiogenesis).
---What's the recipe? ---Basically: "Take one warm planet and just add water." Many of these people think abiogenesis obviously occurred on earth, and must be happening repeatedly throughout the universe. Some of the media buzz about the results of abiogenesis research creates the almost deceptive impression and hope that science has all but proven it to have happened. --But if this is true, then why don't advocates write up the schema of how it could happen (not necessarily how it did happen), and turn it in to the "Origin of Life Prize" committee and collect the $1 million for doing so? ---Not only that, but there will surely be a Nobel Prize waiting for them.
72 posted on 03/01/2004 10:49:45 PM PST by razorbak
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To: Dog
Looking forward to this press conference!
91 posted on 03/02/2004 1:55:26 AM PST by Molly Pitcher
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