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To: swilhelm73
Most of the points seem strong to me but these two:

Kerry's used "testimony" from the VVAW's "Winter Soldier Investigation" as the basis for his war crimes charges. Later investigators were unable to confirm the charges, and in fact discovered that a number of the witnesses were never in Vietnam, never in combat, or were imposters who had assumed the identity of real veterans.

I believe that the investigators all belonged to the Naval Investigative Service, and that their report has disappeared. I've seen no reference to any other refutation of the WSI.

The deception extended to the VVAW leadership. Executive secretary Al Hubbard claimed to have been an Air Force captain wounded piloting a transport over Da Nang in 1966. Hubbard was actually a staff sergeant who had never been assigned to Vietnam.

In defense of Kerry, he quit the VVAW at this time over this issue among others and challenged Al Hubbard repeatedly once he got wind of Hubbard's deception, at that Executive meeting. They almost came to blows.

I don't know if Hubbard got fired from the VVAW over this or if he just faded away.

That the VVAW got fooled by Hubbard does increase the burden of verification on those who believe in the WSI, so this is still a valid point.

11 posted on 03/01/2004 9:49:01 PM PST by secretagent
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To: secretagent
I believe that the investigators all belonged to the Naval Investigative Service, and that their report has disappeared. I've seen no reference to any other refutation of the WSI.

While the report itself is currently unavailable, Guenter Lewy had access to it, and characterized its contents as we have reported. We would love to see the details of the report, but Lewy's synopsis, done using classified records in 1977, is certainly worthy of mention.

In defense of Kerry, he quit the VVAW at this time over this issue among others and challenged Al Hubbard repeatedly once he got wind of Hubbard's deception, at that Executive meeting. They almost came to blows.

That's not correct; although Kerry wasn't happy when Hubbard's true record came out in April, 1971, he did not leave the VVAW until that fall. Neither was Hubbard removed -- he remained with the VVAW leadership into 1972.

14 posted on 03/02/2004 7:17:32 AM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: secretagent
I believe that the investigators all belonged to the Naval Investigative Service, and that their report has disappeared. I've seen no reference to any other refutation of the WSI.

Read Burkett's Stolen Valor. He did a private investigation and determined that many of the WSI participants were phonies.

19 posted on 03/02/2004 10:07:56 AM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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