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'Passion' shakes North Jersey clergy to the core
The Record of Hackensack ^ | 02.29.04

Posted on 02/29/2004 5:59:33 PM PST by Coleus

'Passion' shakes North Jersey clergy to the core


Sunday, February 29, 2004

One Catholic priest in Morris County was so appalled by Mel Gibson's "The Passion of The Christ'' that he described the film as "religious barbarism.''

But a Protestant minister in Harrington Park was so moved that afterward he drove to a park, where he prayed and sat silently for almost an hour.

Meanwhile, a rabbi from River Edge said the movie could bring Jews and Christians closer, despite the film's insistence that it was the Jews who pushed for the execution of Jesus.

Arriving in theaters last week on Ash Wednesday, "The Passion's'' harrowing vision of the final 12 hours of Jesus' life has struck a nerve in the landscape of American faith, inspiring countless believers, polarizing others, and giving fresh focus to interfaith activism.

The bloody, two-hour movie has outraged some Jews with its portrayal of the Jewish high priests as vicious, scheming power barons. And it has turned off some Christians who believe the film's sole focus on Jesus' violent death misses the essence of Christianity.

The film has also delighted millions of conservative Christians - who showed their growing clout by packing theaters coast to coast, helping make the movie a box-office bonanza.

Yet among clergy, the movie's supporters and critics can't be neatly divided along denominational lines.

The Rev. Jack Lohr, a pastor in Franklin Lakes who preaches a liberal brand of Christianity, said the movie startled him personally and raised fundamental questions for all Christians.

"For us who claim to have taken up the cross to follow Jesus, the film challenges any convenient or comfortable reading of the cost of discipleship,'' said Lohr, of the Presbyterian Church at Franklin Lakes. "I shall never again be able to sing the sweetly sentimental lines of 'The Old Rugged Cross' without a dreadful sense of irony.''

And the pastor at one of the most progressive parishes in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Paterson said the film woke him up to the realities of Jesus' death in a way that trumped years of Bible readings.

"It made me realize I've had a pretty sanitized view of what Christ did for me,'' said the Rev. Kevin Downey of St. Mary's in Pompton Lakes. "I've read the story so much, and felt I knew the story so well, that after a while, you take it for granted.''

One thing's for certain, "The Passion'' isn't going away. The movie took in $23.6 million on opening day, a box office showing that suggests the film could wind up in the same esteemed league as such screen classics as "Ben-Hur'' and "The Ten Commandments.''

But unlike those earlier religious blockbusters, "The Passion'' draws razor sharp theological lines that attract and repel.

The movie dwells almost entirely on Jesus' torture and execution, emphasizing that he chose death on the cross to bring salvation to mankind. The movie's violence is now notorious. Jewish leaders call for his death, mocking and spitting on him. Then Roman soldiers take over, whipping him over and over until the flesh is ripped from his back. Finally, his hands and feet are nailed into the cross.

The Rev. Kenneth Lasch, a veteran Catholic priest, said he was repelled.

"I saw it as religious barbarism ... in my opinion, God did not send his son to die,'' said Lasch, of St. Joseph's Church of Mendham. "God sent his son to live, to be faithful. And in being faithful, it cost him his life.''

Lasch, who saw the movie Thursday, also said the film's uncompromising, in-your-face approach reflects a growing divisiveness and belligerence within the major religions.

"As I was sitting at the end of movie I thought, 'This is not bringing us together,''' he said. "This is increasing the separation.''

Others share his fears.

Rabbi Neil Borovitz said he couldn't help but think about "Fiddler on the Roof,'' the classic musical about life in an Eastern European shtetl. The show, which had a revival open on Broadway the same week "The Passion'' reached the theaters, ends tragically with pogroms against the Jews.

"It was the claim of the Jews killing Jesus that inspired people to slaughter thousands of innocent people,'' said Borovitz, of Temple Sholom in River Edge. "I think Mel Gibson has taken a similar approach in this movie, and it's very bothersome.''

But Borovitz also holds out hope. He attended the movie Wednesday with Catholic and Protestant clergymen that he has known for years. And he points to a fresh round of interfaith activism in Bergen County that will make "The Passion'' the main topic of conversation. On Thursday in Teaneck, for example, two scholars, one Catholic and one Jewish, will speak to religious educators and clergy on the complexities of the crucifixion story and how to explain them to students and other lay people.

Borovitz said he respects the story of the Resurrection as the central narrative of Christianity. But he said Gibson has told the story in a provocative, manipulative, and mean-spirited way.

"I feel much more comfortable with the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops or the National Council of Churches teaching this story than I do with Mel Gibson,'' Borovitz said. "But Mel Gibson is going to reach more people than they will, and that's what concerns me.''

Many pastors found the movie so compelling they're seeing it again.

The Rev. George Kaden, of Community Church in Harrington Park, saw the movie Wednesday and drove to Van Saun Park in Paramus for 45 minutes of reflection. He is seeing the movie again today with his family.

"It's a film that challenges us to look in our own hearts and ask ourselves about our relationship with God,'' Kaden said. "Each person has to come to grips with what they are seeing and what they are wrestling with in their personal life.''

Others said the movie is transforming the season of Lent, the period of introspection that began on Ash Wednesday and culminates on Easter Sunday.

The Rev. Steve Giordano will preach about the movie in his sermon today. Giordano, of Clinton Avenue Reformed Church in Bergenfield, cited the movie's opening scene in which Jesus decides to face the cross rather than run from it.

"That's the same question that we face at the beginning of the Lenten season,'' Giordano said. "Are we going to accept the challenge of making a significant spiritual season, or is it just going to be business as usual?''

This article contains material from The Associated Press.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: New Jersey
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To: Coleus
bump to my post above
61 posted on 02/29/2004 6:55:53 PM PST by Siobhan (+Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet+)
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To: ml/nj
thanks for the response, and the fact is that all of mankind killed Christ when we decided to sin and turn away from God. By the Roman's hand, yes, because of us all.

And, historically were not the Jews forbidden to execute capital punishment? So how could they have killed Christ? During that period the Romans crucified the criminals.
62 posted on 02/29/2004 6:57:06 PM PST by Coleus (Help Tyler Schicke http://tylerfund.org/ Burkitt's leukemia, http://www.birthhaven.org/needs.html)
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To: Revolting cat!
You are not allowed to dislike this entertainment vehicle! We sentence you to 100 lashes!

I don't care that he doesn't like the movie. It's a movie. I care that he either doesn't know his priest stuff or has rejected it somewhere along the way, yet he still has his priestly gig, which gives him enough credibility to make him attractive to journalists.

63 posted on 02/29/2004 6:58:36 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
You're quite correct. This priest simply decided he knew something the rest of us missed.
64 posted on 02/29/2004 6:58:45 PM PST by mgstarr
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To: Jeff Chandler

"Prior to making Dog Days (Hundstage), released here in 2002, film-maker Ulrich Seidl built an international reputation with a series of distinctive and original documentaries exploring intimate aspects of people’s lives. In Jesus, You Know he follows six believers into the sanctity of the church, and with their permission films their individual conversations with Jesus. Sometimes beginning as prayers, but frequently turning into confessions, these normally private portraits are deeply revealing. Whilst demographically dissimilar, the worshippers seem united by loneliness and sadness – a young woman trying to work out her relationship difficulties; a young man troubled by the eroticism he finds in the Bible; an older woman sounding stoic but clearly worn down by her husband and family. But as always, Seidl finds the humour in the material and his subjects too, in their contradictions and in their juxtaposing of the seemingly banal with the fundamentally significant. This is direct and daring film-making, all the more so because of its quiet and unforced tone. That Seidl is shaping the material there is of course no doubt; his skill is in doing so without seeming to intrude – always present, never seen, and in that respect nicely attuned with his subject."

You'll all be lining up to see that one, won't you! I can't wait for the countless threads about it, including countless threads about the money take of this "product" (since you don't accept the industry reference "entertainment vehicle".) Oops, excuse me again, I should have said "the money take of the act of love"!

65 posted on 02/29/2004 7:04:04 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Coleus
historically were not the Jews forbidden to execute capital punishment?

No. There's lots of room for capital punishment in the Torah. The Talmud makes capital punishment much more difficult, but it doesn't eliminate it entirely. My Rabbi teaches that a Sanhedrin that executed one man in 70 years was considered bloodthirsty, but that does imply that there were some executions going on. I don't think they were many crucifixions though. But we do have the Gospels though and we ought not to question the information they present.

ML/NJ

66 posted on 02/29/2004 7:04:34 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: mgstarr
Thanks.

I'll go back to my original point then. It doesn't bother me so much that he has -- let's be P.C. and say heterodox --beliefs. It bothers me that he'd be shocked people still believe the established beliefs.

It's like Captain Renault in Casablanca -- "I'm shocked --Shocked! -- to find that there's gambling going on here." Only Lasch is either less honest than Captain Renault or just a flaming idiot.
67 posted on 02/29/2004 7:05:28 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: Siobhan
http://www.patersondiocese.org/

Most Rev. Frank J. Rodimer, D.D., J.C.D.
Bishop of Paterson
shepherd@dioceseofpaterson.org,info@patersondiocese.org

Vicar General, Rev Msgr. Herbert K. Tillyer
spetrapst1@aol.com

Fr. Lasch
Website: http://www.stjoesmendham.org
Email: kel77@aol.com, klasch@stjoesmendham.org
68 posted on 02/29/2004 7:05:37 PM PST by Coleus (Help Tyler Schicke http://tylerfund.org/ Burkitt's leukemia, http://www.birthhaven.org/needs.html)
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To: Arkinsaw
Just incredible. A Catholic priest who doesn't even understand the essential basics of the gospel.
69 posted on 02/29/2004 7:09:19 PM PST by plain talk
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To: SunkenCiv
"The Jews did not kill Christ."

Read Matthew 21:33-46. Read Matthew 27. Jesus knew he would be killed by the chief priests and the Pharisees. The Jewish leaders conspired together to have Jesus killed. What could be more plain? Have you not read? Good grief. If you won't believe me at least believe Christ Himself. He knew who would have him killed and the fact that they were able to do it through the agency of the Romans in no way frees them from the charge. The Jews DID kill Christ. That's part of what makes His death so hideous, He was done in my his OWN PEOPLE!!! The people who should have recognized Him and followed Him KILLED HIM!! I'm sad to see how little so many 'Christians' understand.
70 posted on 02/29/2004 7:09:35 PM PST by vigilo
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To: Revolting cat!
Give us all a break and go back to DU, would you?!
71 posted on 02/29/2004 7:16:36 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Why the long face, John?)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
Isn't it basic Christian theology that Jesus was sent to die for mankind's sins?

Yes, that is correct. We're talking the basic of basics here.

I'm not Christian so correct me if I'm wrong. Correct me on the theological point that is, not on my beliefs. 8>)

LOL

What bothers me isn't that this priest has this belief -- I mean, it doesn't matter to me. What bothers me is that he would be -- or at least act -- so shocked that people would actually believe what (I think) is the traditional Christian belief.

That's what bothers me too. Along with the nagging question of HOW these journalists manage consistently to overlook thousands of believing ministers and priests, and find one of this sort.

It does seem that a lot of people are shocked, not so much at the movie as at the people going to see it. They probably thought we'd all caught on to the idea that God is only an archetype and Jesus was only a role model. They were mistaken.

72 posted on 02/29/2004 7:18:05 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: Jeff Chandler
Someone who saw the film at the same time as me made the comment that sums it up nicely, "It sure made you feel unworthy."
73 posted on 02/29/2004 7:20:10 PM PST by lone star annie
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To: baltodog
What happened 2,000 years ago is the same that is happening today. It was me who persecuted Christ.

I realize that your motives in making such a statement are laudatory in trying to diffuse the responsibility of those who actually put Jesus to death. But we must be careful of taking Christ's death out of space-time history into such never-neverland of 'timelessness'.

His death and resurrection were actually events in time. They occurred at a specific place and at a specific time with real people and real nails and a real cross. You and I clearly weren't there.

It is fair to say "they were just like us" or "I would have had the same predilections that they did" -- if that's the way you feel. But to say "I persecuted Jesus" is to confuse the message of the cross and resurrection of Christ.

By the way, don't forget that Jesus' followers did not kill Him. There were those in that day - with the same nature as you and I -- who followed Him faithfully to cross, to the grave and to the uttermost parts of the world.

74 posted on 02/29/2004 7:21:25 PM PST by winstonchurchill
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To: vigilo
The Jews DID kill Christ. That's part of what makes His death so hideous, He was done in my his OWN PEOPLE!!! The people who should have recognized Him and followed Him KILLED HIM!! I'm sad to see how little so many 'Christians' understand.

Well and truly said. The historical record speaks for itself.

75 posted on 02/29/2004 7:23:56 PM PST by winstonchurchill
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To: Arkinsaw
Some of them need to be excommunicated. They are not Catholic no matter what their title.
76 posted on 02/29/2004 7:23:59 PM PST by Jaded
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To: Coleus
This priest might be one of those type who would prefer a movie about Sodom & Gomorrah.
77 posted on 02/29/2004 7:25:44 PM PST by bayourod ( Kerry's 1st wife: $250M; 2nd wife: $700M; Mistress: priceless.)
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To: Coleus
This is so predictable it is scarey.

AP ignores 99% of the priesthood and finds one malcontent and who does it give the ink to?

Boy, I've never seen this happen before...NOT!
78 posted on 02/29/2004 7:26:01 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
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To: Coleus
Thanks so much for the e-mail address for "Father" Lasch. I think he needs a refresher course in Theology.
I saw the movie with my entire family yesterday: ages 15 to 84. All of want to see it again, none had the reaction this "priest" did.
79 posted on 02/29/2004 7:27:36 PM PST by pieces of time
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To: Viva Christo Rey; ultima ratio
The Rev. Kenneth Lasch, a veteran Catholic priest, said he was repelled.

"I saw it as religious barbarism ... in my opinion, God did not send his son to die,'' said Lasch, of St. Joseph's Church of Mendham. "God sent his son to live, to be faithful. And in being faithful, it cost him his life.''

Ping

80 posted on 02/29/2004 7:29:50 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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