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JIM CAVIEZEL WHO PLAYED CHRIST REVEALS HIS DEEPEST HOPE FOR THE MEL GIBSON FILM
CHRISTIAN NEWS TODAY ^ | 2/04 | DAN WOODING

Posted on 02/28/2004 5:05:16 AM PST by Liz

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To: NYer
I told someone who said that he had heard it was a very controversial film, and I said, 'Have you seen other passion play that wasn't? Where they killed a good man?' Jesus didn't die for some mythological story, he didn't die for fantasy.

That's absolutely true.

"Jesus said, I am the resurrection, and the life; he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live; And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die." John 11:25,26

Thanks for the ping; great article.

61 posted on 02/28/2004 1:06:15 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul (The "Passion" is the celebration of life over death, and it's no more anti-Semitic than is the Bible)
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To: Rainmist
I hope Leno has Maia (Mary) Morgenstern on. She was great on O'Reilly.
62 posted on 02/28/2004 1:43:26 PM PST by Liz
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To: Carolinamom
i can't understand why our local movie theatre gave it a 2 1/2 star rating

If one steps back and views this film as if there is no theological basis for it - if one looks at it as just another movie - perhaps this rating will ensue. Or, if one cannot stand to acknowledge the magnitude of what is at stake and thus begrudge others a look into this film . . .

63 posted on 02/28/2004 2:04:39 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: moneyrunner
This film puts into context and forces you to face the fact that his torture and execution were so brutal that modern man would turn away

I compare the movie to the attack on the World Trade Center. You can "know" that the towers were attacked, burned, and fell. You don't really understand what that means unless you've seen it. Probably more so for the people that were physically there that day.

64 posted on 02/28/2004 2:05:10 PM PST by Naspino (HTTP://NASPINO.COM)
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To: Rainmist
Hubba, Hubba, Indeed ! :)


65 posted on 02/28/2004 2:08:13 PM PST by DollyCali (2004: Opportunity for love, growth, giving, doing..... It is our choice.)
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To: novacation
Is this for real?
66 posted on 02/28/2004 2:16:37 PM PST by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: pax_et_bonum; Axiom Nine
ping
67 posted on 02/28/2004 2:18:48 PM PST by Texas Grandma
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To: Liz
Good article, Liz. Thanks.
68 posted on 02/28/2004 2:25:47 PM PST by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: First_Salute; Landru; Jeff Head; FBD; Minuteman23; CharliefromKS; skip2myloo
I had intended to take a hiatus from FR for a while (and still do), but I have been reading and hearing a good many commentaries on ‘The Passion of Christ’ that have missed the mark so badly that I feel moved to at least put down on paper my observations about the movie, for whatever they may be worth.

As is probably the case with most people who have seen the movie, for me to attempt to communicate everything I came away with would take days, weeks. I would just like to focus on what I believe are a few misconceptions, and what I believe some of the ‘messages’ of the movie were.

First, the pre-release, and post-release, uproar regarding an ‘anti-Semitic’ message contained in ‘The Passion’ is absurd and politically agenda-driven.

The crowd that demanded Christ’s crucifixion was, of course, composed of Jews. They are the people who lived in Jerusalem. But the Jews in the crowd that demanded His crucifixion did not necessarily (and most probably didn’t) reflect the anger of the Jewish people in general. It was a relatively small crowd in comparison to the population of the city, and it was most likely purposefully assembled by the Sanhedrin and high priests who feared Jesus because he was undermining their authority. Those many Jews who were receptive to Christ’s teaching, or who were unaffected by Him in any way, remained in the shadows, fearing for their lives.

Among those who remained in the shadows was Simon of Cyrene, who, at the fifth station of the carrying of the cross, was ordered to come out from those who stood back from the mob, to help the weakening Christ with his burden for the last few hundred feet of his walk to Calvary. He did so reluctantly and begrudgingly, fearing for his life, and not knowing who this Man was. But, in physically supporting (almost carrying) Jesus those last few hundred feet, and in spiritually ‘connecting’ with him during those brief but powerful moments, he almost instantly knew whose cross he was bearing … and then attempted to comfort Him and convince others of the wrongness of what was about to happen. [Interestingly, scripture tells us little more about Simon after this day. But his sons became very involved in the Christian congregation in Rome, which suggests that Simon may have become a Christian as well.]

My point in even bringing this up is that, in ‘The Passion,’ I believe Simon may have been the only character who was purposefully labeled (through dialogue) a Jew. And, if one would want to characterize him, he was portrayed in an extremely sensitive and heroic light. The mob, although composed of Jews, was not portrayed as representing a people – but, instead, as representing a relatively small, agenda-driven mob, whose actions were orchestrated by the Sanhedrin. Most of the Jews in the city stayed in the shadows for fear of losing their lives. And the one who came out of the shadows, as a result of an order issued by a Roman soldier, connected with Christ (in a way that perhaps no one else but Mary, his own mother, did just then) during His last minutes on earth .... and he sought desperately to help Him.

Much of the evil in our world is the result of the fact that scripture is ridiculed, and the concept of scriptural morality (as represented by the Ten Commandments, and the teachings of Christ) is under relentless attack. I believe the cries of anti-Semitism in this movie have one purpose: to drive a wedge between Jews and Christians. An alliance of Jews and Christians strikes fear in the hearts of those who would do away with the moral concept of right and wrong contained in His word (both Old and New Testaments), and the teachings of His Son.

One of the several powerful messages in the movie (as was spoken in Aramaic by Christ in one of the relatively few lines of dialogue) was the fact that His followers will be persecuted. He warned His faithful disciples (in the movie, and countless times in Scripture) that they will suffer a future of persecution, and even death.

I believe that is one of the movie’s strongest messages: that Christians must prepare themselves for the coming persecutions … for the fact that the evil in the world will increasingly seek to silence them. His words are born out today, as the Christian church – especially in Africa and Asia – is under relentless, and growing, assault.

As just a personal example: The church that I attend (named after St. Paul, author of most of the books of the New Testament) has ‘planted’ a sister church in Liberia, affectionately known as ‘Little St. Paul’s’. Over the past decade, the membership in Little St. Paul’s has grown by leaps and bounds. Our church regularly sends barrels (as in thousands of pounds) of supplies to our sister church (medical equipment, Bibles, textbooks, personal items, repair equipment, etc.) – and a small group from our church travels there for a month every other year (if political conditions in the region allow) in order to get a firsthand look at the progress that is being made, the conditions in the area, and to offer physical help with whatever the people are in need of (I will be a part of that rotating contingent in November of 2004). Over the past two years, conditions in the region have deteriorated, and, because of the brutal civil war, and the growing anti-Christian sentiment of the government (which sees Christianity as a threat to its tyrannical power), there are often months at a time in which we are cut off from communication with our sister church. The church itself often suffers major damage (by fire or vandalism), in which case the people meet in their homes until they can make repairs and return to worship in their church building. Many of the congregation have been killed by agents of the government. And yet their membership continues to grow. Their newfound Christianity is strong and unyielding to violent dictatorial ultimatums, even to the point of death.

Such persecution is common in African (and Asian) nations, and is increasing. Especially in Eritrea, Sudan, Nigeria, Ethiopia, and Zimbabwe, Christians are routinely rounded up and taken into government custody. Generally they are asked to sign a paper renouncing their belief in Christ. And often, if they do not do so (which they rarely, if ever, do), they are either held indefinitely under inhuman conditions, sold into slavery, or brutally tortured, or executed, by the dozens or hundreds. The incidents are increasing dramatically, and the numbers of Christian martyrs around the world – but especially in Africa -- are growing daily.

Christ warned His followers that, in the end times, such persecution would escalate. That warning was contained in a very moving part of ‘The Passion’ – which is yet another reason that the enemies of freedom (religious and otherwise) despise this film. It is calling attention to a brand of evil that they would rather remained unreported and unacknowledged.

I saw the movie on opening night. I will be seeing it again tomorrow afternoon. I was not able to digest much of the movie the first time around. I did not see large portions of it, because I knew what was about to happen and couldn’t bring myself to watch. I also found my mind shutting down during several particularly graphic scenes. I believe that I need to go back and have the courage to take in those parts that I was unable to take in on Wednesday, for one reason: We need to comprehend what our Lord did for us. We need to be reminded that the words ‘What would Jesus do?’ are not simply a slogan to be etched on a bracelet, or recited as a stanza of primitive poetry. We need to know … really know … the eternal purpose behind His willing sacrifice and His brutal death. And we need to take that image and apply it to our own lives – seeking to live as Christ-like a life as is humanly possible. Knowing that we will stumble, but that He is a patient, loving and forgiving God, who will wait for us to regain our feet again ... as long as we keep our eyes focused on Him.

‘The Passion’ helps us to do that. It is brutal. But it is true to scripture. It is inspiring. It portrays the last hours of life of the only Perfect Man, accurately and powerfully. And it strikes fear in the hearts of those who seek the subjugation of men by other men.

I don’t expect 'The Passion' to receive any Academy award nominations in 2005. Then again, in the eternal scheme of things, an Academy award does not even register as a blip. Tomorrow night the Hollywood ilk will gather in their pompous, irreverent, self-aggrandizing celebration. Some of them will no doubt have condescending (at the very least) things to say about Gibson’s inspired masterpiece. And then they will go home and comment endlessly on each other’s attire, and each other’s speeches – unaware that there is a spiritual world in which peace of a lasting kind can be attained, outside of material or worldly concerns.

They ridicule and criticize something about which they know nothing. And they continue to promote barren secular ideologies that have proven deadly to mankind through the centuries. History is not on their side.

I have no doubt that ‘The Passion’ will cause something of a spiritual revival in the hearts of millions of people. The question is, will they (we) have the strength of conviction to keep our hearts from hardening once again? The forces that are aligned against Christianity, and liberty, are strengthening, and becoming emboldened by success. The ‘persecution’ and demonization of those who are determined to defend freedom (of religion, and all other God-given liberties) will not be diminishing. It will grow more relentless, as ignorance and apathy increase. ‘The Passion’ may grant something of a cinematic ‘reprieve’ from ignorance and apathy. But if that ‘reprieve’ is short-lived, we can’t look to another Hollywood product to awaken us. The strength, resolve, and courage of conviction, must be intrinsic to be of any lasting value.

Thank you, Mr. Gibson, for lighting a small spark. Whether or not we fan it into a fire, or allow it to be extinguished, only time will tell.

~ joanie

69 posted on 02/28/2004 4:15:23 PM PST by joanie-f (All that we know and love depends on three simple things: sunlight, soil, and the fact that it rains)
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To: Rainmist
"I saw this actor on Jay Leno last night, and what a great person he is. Not to mention that he's too fine !!!! Hubba hubba !!

I couldn't agree more. And I'll add an extra hubba for good measure.

70 posted on 02/28/2004 4:40:29 PM PST by formerDem (God writes straight with crooked lines.)
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To: DollyCali
thanks for posting that picture. It is now my computer 'wallpaper'.
71 posted on 02/28/2004 4:41:48 PM PST by formerDem (God writes straight with crooked lines.)
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To: joanie-f
Joanie, I saw the movie this afternoon. I saw in it a lot of what many other people have written about, but I didn't see some of what you just wrote. But--now that I think about it I do.

It had so many "messages"--all of them good and based on the Bible. And as you wrote, those "messages" are what are making the liberals scream!

Thank you for pointing out everything you did. All of it is true, even though I didn't see all of it right away. I guess I'm still recovering from the movie, and it might take me a few days to think straight. I never saw anything like it.

Check your mail.
72 posted on 02/28/2004 5:16:45 PM PST by Minuteman23
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To: joanie-f
Beautiful. Just beautiful. Thank you.
73 posted on 02/28/2004 5:57:10 PM PST by CharliefromKS
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To: juzcuz
I agree. I believe that in condemning this film, some people are behaving the very way they would have behaved over 2000 years ago when they cheered on the crucifixion. I am not speaking only of Jews. I see in the news that there are crowds outside theatre's protesting the film. I can almost imagine them dressed in biblical clothing standing on the via delarosa chanting slurs at Christ as he carried the cross. To me, it is very symbolic. I plan to see the film maybe tomorrow. I know it will be tough to watch because it will remind me of how unworthy I am.
74 posted on 02/28/2004 5:58:46 PM PST by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: joanie-f
I haven't seen it, Joanie. But I will be going tomorrow night. Your description is one of the most excellent I have read.

I saw an idiot British author/columnist being interviewed last night. I can't even remember his name or what show he was on, but his comments were sickening, and you refuted a few of them here. I would like to see you debate him. He would wind up looking like a fool.

I'm glad a read this before seeing it. It will help me to understand the movie better.

I hope you can watch more of it tomorrow.

The liberals are afraid, that's for sure.



75 posted on 02/28/2004 6:56:08 PM PST by aodell
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To: joanie-f
I just watched a part of a show on the History Channel called called "Hollywood vs. History." It's a panel discussion on "The Passion." The managing editor of Newsweek just said exactly what you said here, that it was not the Jews who wanted his crucifiction, but the "high priests," and that that is how it was portrayed in the movie.

I wish I could watch more but I have to go out!
76 posted on 02/28/2004 7:33:56 PM PST by aodell
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To: Liz
Not to worry Jim, Christians, the only people who really count...

I'm sorry, but I think you missed the point entirely. Not of the movie. Of Jesus' message. That's pretty heavy handed of me, but please, bear with me.

Turn inward and seek your own answers. He's waiting for you to ask Him for the answer. I don't think this is it.

He came with a sword. Now ask who it was for. It wasn't THEM. It was US. Anyone who says otherwise and therefore says "I'm saved, you're not," is turning their back on Him.

He died because I have sinned. Not them. Not you. Me. I accept that. I embrace that. I try to understand the love that brought that Truth into the world. I don't think I'll ever be able to rationalize it, but I cling to it as my hope. The promise He made.

77 posted on 02/28/2004 9:09:04 PM PST by Phsstpok (often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: LoudRepublicangirl
We saw it tonight. It was deeply, deeply moving.

The shock of the film's message hit me like a whip: I hung Him on the cross. I was the Temple guard that punched Him in the face. I was the Legionary who ripped His flesh with rod and fragellum. I was the taunting heckler in the crowd, the sarcastic foreigner jeering at the Hebrew holy man, the exasperated procurator mocking him with the question “What is Truth?”

It was me all the time.

78 posted on 02/28/2004 10:28:55 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Liz
Jim was phenomenal. The movie was phenomenal. An amazing accomplishment.
79 posted on 02/28/2004 10:38:22 PM PST by I'm ALL Right!
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To: Liz
THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST - ACTOR
80 posted on 02/28/2004 11:06:59 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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