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Modern Contemplations of Jefferson and Locke

Posted on 02/27/2004 10:40:35 AM PST by Babbling Bimbo

“We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness…” (Thomas Jefferson from The Declaration of Independence).

Over two hundred years ago one of the wisest men in our country, Thomas Jefferson, laid out the foundation for what our grand nation should stand for. Adapting the theories of such influential enlightenment thinkers as Locke and Rousseau; Jefferson laid out the ideas that would shape our government for hundreds of years to come. From the ideas Jefferson outlined in The Declaration of Independence two other historical documents were created, The United States Constitution¸ and The Bill of Rights. It’s startling that perhaps the single most important document in the history of the United States of America is a mere forty-five-word sentence. “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”(The First Amendment from The Bill of Rights)

The first amendment of the Constitution is generally hailed as the most important document with regard to the civil rights of Americans, but what really affects us today, what is the newest form of civil rights? Today the right that is constantly bringing up controversy is freedom of expression. Freedom of expression is defined by First Amendment Center (www.firstamendmentcenter.org) as, “the ability of an individual or group of individuals to express their beliefs, thoughts, ideas and emotions about different issues free from government censorship.” Government censorship; one might ask what government censorship has to do with high schools; government censorship also applies to public schools because school officials are state actors, in that they act as part of the government, but are we, as students, really able to fully express ourselves as we should be entitled to under the forty-five word standard? I argue that we aren’t given as much freedom as we should be, and that since forty-five words can only be read so many ways we should be granted the rights it obviously gives us. The Supreme Court has spent the last fifty years establishing and reestablishing standards for freedom of expression. In Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District (1969), the US Supreme court said that students “do not shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate.” The Supreme Court created what is called the Tinker standard, which allowed the school to censor only if the school can prove that the uncensored material will cause a substantial disruption or material interference, or if the material is an invasion of another person’s rights. (First Amendment Center) This decision was monumental, it granted the full first amendment rights to all students in public high schools; unfortunately, in more recent years the Supreme Court has taken a slightly different stand. In 1986 and then again in 1988, the US Supreme court cut back on student’s rights. In the Bethel School District No. 405 v. Fraser, the Supreme Court supported a high school is suspending a student for a vulgar speech he presented before the school assembly, and in Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier two students sued the school after having two articles censored in the school newspaper. In Hazelwood, the Supreme court declared that since the articles dealt with divorce and teen pregnancy, although they are real issues in public schools, they were inappropriate for younger readers. But why? Why would you restrict the ability of students to inform the school of issues that are constant problems? Perhaps it is that the schools fail to recognize that there are issues that need to be addressed by students and faculty. (First Amendment Center) Today freedom of expression and free speech in schools follow the Hazelwood standard. Unlike under the Tinker standard the Hazelwood standard allowed school officials to regulate school-sponsored student expression as long as the officials’ actions have a reasonable educational reason; in fact, under the Hazelwood standard the school can censor materials that would, “associate the school with anything other than neutrality on matters of political controversy.” Most students, when confronted with a freedom of expression issue feel oppressed, and often outraged that the school can actually censor their creative genius, but what most students don’t realize is that in some states they can’t. Due to the unpopularity of the Hazelwood standard, some states have created “anti-Hazelwood laws” which grant student journalism more freedom of expression. Unfortunately Illinois is not one of the states which has enacted “anti-Hazelwood laws,” so our student journalists are held to the Hazelwood standard. Censorship is a growing issue in America to day, and along with each rising level of censorship comes a decline in the freedom of expression of Americans as a whole. And if it is true that we are all equal, and have god-given unalienable rights, then why are our rights restricted? Why must we be censored? I would propose a movement back to the Tinker standard where censorship can only be enacted where it is necessary, and where the lack of censorship will cause disruption or interference with school activities, or invade on another person’s rights. That is freedom.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: billofrights; expression; founders; freedom; rights

1 posted on 02/27/2004 10:40:36 AM PST by Babbling Bimbo
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To: Babbling Bimbo
read later
2 posted on 02/27/2004 10:50:20 AM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: Babbling Bimbo
Most students, when confronted with a freedom of expression issue feel oppressed, and often outraged that the school can actually censor their creative genius, but what most students don’t realize is that in some states they can’t.

And while American students are so concerned about their precious (and mythical) "freedom of expression," the Japanese, Chinese, and Indian students are learning albegra in elementary schools, trig in middle school, and Calculus and other advanced mathematics in high school.

3 posted on 02/27/2004 10:51:40 AM PST by Lunatic Fringe ("Fellow citizens, we cannot escape history." -Abraham Lincoln, 1862)
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To: Babbling Bimbo
"In the beginning, all the world was America." - John Locke, The True End of Civil Government, 1690.

"The actions of men are the best interpreters of their thoughts." - John Locke, The True End of Civil Government, 1690.

"Exceeding the bounds of authority is no more a right in a great than a petty officer; no more justifiable in a king than a constable." - John Locke, The True End of Civil Government, 1690.

"Law, in it's true notion, is not so much the limitation as the direction of a free and intelligent agent to his proper interest, and prescribes no farther than is for the general good of those under the law." - John Locke, The True End of Civil Government, 1690.

Locke, Hume, & Rousseau Revisited

4 posted on 02/27/2004 10:52:26 AM PST by PsyOp (A people of corrupted morals is not capable of liberty. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: Babbling Bimbo
Jefferson would be horrified that ignorant 15-year old children have become so harmful to the society he helped create.
5 posted on 02/27/2004 10:53:08 AM PST by Lunatic Fringe ("Fellow citizens, we cannot escape history." -Abraham Lincoln, 1862)
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To: Babbling Bimbo
Teenage Boys, by rights, need to be stuffed in a barrel, fed alternate Wendsdays. and not let out til after they reach at least 21.

Teenage Girls are the reason such measures are necessary.

"Freedom of Expression?": I'm not a government so don't even ask.
6 posted on 02/27/2004 10:59:23 AM PST by ancient_geezer (Equality, the French disease: Everyone is equal beneath the guillotine.)
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To: Babbling Bimbo
The 1st Amendment means nothing without the 2nd Amendment to guarantee it.
7 posted on 02/27/2004 11:00:35 AM PST by olde north church (Americans aren't more violent, they're just better shots.)
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To: Babbling Bimbo
Very informed article for a High Schooler!

Until you are an adult there will be extra limits on your rights and responsibilities. You'll understand when you're older :-)

8 posted on 02/27/2004 11:01:04 AM PST by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: Babbling Bimbo
Can anyone tell me what previous thinkers influenced Locke? I mostly know him as an influence on those who came after (Thos. Jefferson, etc). I know Locke cared about Natural Law, and I'm sure he knew the Bible well, but I do not know which thinkers he may have been exposed to as he formulated his own philosophy.

Anyone? Bueller?

9 posted on 02/27/2004 11:42:31 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (You can see it coming like a train on a track.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
He liked Aristotle and Cicero, IIRC.
10 posted on 02/27/2004 12:18:41 PM PST by GulliverSwift (Keep the <a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/">gigolo</a> out of the White House!)
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To: GulliverSwift
Thanks. With a user-name like GulliverSwift, I imagine you might know a thing or two about the topic!
11 posted on 02/27/2004 12:26:21 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (You can see it coming like a train on a track.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Much to the contrary, I believe Mr. Jefferson would be thrilled that an 15-year old would be intelligent enough to realize the meaning of the rights laid down in the first amendment, and was taking a stand on such a debatable issue. I only wish I were 15 not 18. There is however an advantage to being 18, and that advantage is what is called the ‘age of majority;’ in most states (including the one I live in) at age 18 you are no longer a minor, and as such cannot be denied the rights of an adult by any ‘state actors.’ State actors are defined as any official that acts as part of the government, this includes public school officials. I’m glad to see that you have taken the same stand as most other adults by dismissing me as an ignorant child; I derive a sick humor from it.
12 posted on 03/12/2004 10:27:49 AM PST by Babbling Bimbo (The mindless ramblings of a complete idiot)
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To: Babbling Bimbo
First, I did not say *YOU* specifially were a 15-year old.

Second, while I admire your understanding of your rights, would you not agree that there is a time and place for everything? Freedom of expression in high school?

School, paid for by the taxes of the paretns of the students, is meant to be the means to get an education. It was NOT designed to be a social club. Kids are much too worried about who is screwing who and who is able to "express" themselves, rather than concentrating on their purpose for being there... to learn.

This is one reason why American students rank so far behind other nations. Don't blame the teachers... blame the students and parents.
13 posted on 03/12/2004 11:13:32 AM PST by Lunatic Fringe (John F-ing Kerry??? NO... F-ING... WAY!!!)
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