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No Boy Scouts: The ACLU defends NAMBLA.
National Review Online ^ | February 27, 2004 | Deroy Murdock

Posted on 02/27/2004 8:21:32 AM PST by xsysmgr

An old friend of mine once said this about the American Civil Liberties Union: "They're a bunch of whale-saving, criminal-loving pinkos — and thank God for them."

This remark nicely summarizes the ambivalence with which many people regard the ACLU. Few organizations dance closer to the very edge of the loony-Left precipice than it does. There seems to be no thug too hardened nor any cause too exotic for the ACLU to champion. At the same time, if America ever were unlucky enough to face a president who decided to remain in the Oval Office past her expiration date, the ACLU would battle her and her junta with every sharp courtroom argument, pointed legal filing, and well-aimed briefcase it could muster.

That said, the ACLU lately has stained the dark side of its reputation through its actions in two cases involving the treatment of vulnerable, young Americans. The ACLU is defending those who abuse children while attacking those who give them moral guidance. This contrast reveals the priorities of today's ACLU.

The Manhattan-based public-interest law firm is defending the North American Man-Boy Love Association in a $200 million civil lawsuit filed by Mr. and Mrs. Robert Curley. The Curleys claim that Charles Jaynes was driven by the literature and website of NAMBLA, an outfit that advocates sex between grown men and little boys, reportedly as young as age 8.

Jaynes did not simply read NAMBLA's materials and ponder its message. He and Salvatore Sicari actively sought a boy with whom to copulate. They picked 10-year-old Jeffrey Curley of Cambridge, Massachusetts. They lured him into their car as he played outside his home in October 1997. When Curley resisted their sexual advances, they choked him to death with a gasoline-soaked rag. Then they took the boy's body across state lines to Jayne's apartment in Manchester, New Hampshire. They molested the cadaver and stuffed it into a cement-filled Rubbermaid container. Finally, they crossed state lines again into Maine, whereupon they tossed Jeffrey Curley's remains into the Great Works River, from which it was recovered within days. Jaynes and Sicari were convicted of these crimes in 1998, for which they are serving life sentences.

So why blame NAMBLA? Is it any more responsible for this atrocity than is Vintage Books, the publisher of Vladimir Nabokov's Lolita? Imagine that Jaynes and Sicari had read that 1955 novel about a middle-aged intellectual's affair with a 12-year-old girl. What if these two men found an equally young female who they abused and killed, just as they murdered Jeffrey Curley in real life? Putting aside the fact that Lolita is a work of fiction, would Vintage Books face civil justice?

Probably not, nor would NAMBLA if it limited its output to fictional depictions of "man-boy love." It is difficult to pin imaginary crimes on actual criminals who turn make-believe into mayhem.

Within the realm of nonfiction, as revolting as its ideas are, NAMBLA certainly has a First Amendment right to argue that America's laws should be changed to permit sexual relations between adult men and third-grade school boys. Most Americans would disagree vehemently, as well they should. That's called debate. It's the American way.

As ACLU of Massachusetts Legal Director John Reinstein sees it: "Regardless of whether people agree with or abhor NAMBLA's views, holding the organization responsible for crimes committed by others who read their materials would gravely endanger important First Amendment freedoms."

However, as Fox News' Bill O'Reilly noted, there is more at play here than pamphleteering. "According to lawyers familiar with [NAMBLA's] website," O'Reilly explained, "it actually posted techniques designed to lure boys into having sex with men and also supplied information on what an adult should do if caught."

NAMBLA is "not just publishing material that says it's OK to have sex with children and advocating changing the law," says Larry Frisoli, a Cambridge attorney who is arguing the Curleys case in federal court. NAMBLA, he says, "is actively training their members how to rape children and get away with it. They distribute child pornography and trade live children among NAMBLA members with the purpose of having sex with them."

Frisoli cites a NAMBLA publication he calls "The Rape and Escape Manual." Its actual title is "The Survival Manual: The Man's Guide to Staying Alive in Man-Boy Sexual Relationships."

"Its chapters explain how to build relationships with children," Frisoli tells me. "How to gain the confidence of children's parents. Where to go to have sex with children so as not to get caught...There is advice, if one gets caught, on when to leave America and how to rip off credit card companies to get cash to finance your flight. It's pretty detailed."

"In his diary, Jaynes said he had reservations about having sex with children until he discovered NAMBLA," Frisoli continues. "It's in his diary in 1996, around the time he joined NAMBLA, one year before the death of Jeffrey Curley."

The practical, step-by-step advice Jaynes followed goes far beyond appeals to sway public opinion in favor of pedophilia. Such language aids and abets felonious conduct. If such conspiracy results in homicide, it is reasonable for NAMBLA to face civil liability if not criminal prosecution.

Ohio's Court of Appeals found NAMBLA complicit in an earlier child-rape case. NAMBLA's literature, discovered in a defendant's possession, reflected "preparation and purpose," according to the Buckeye State's top bench.

The ACLU has offered material support to those who openly preach pedophilia and arguably encourage kidnapping, rape, and murder. Yet this legal group is energetically hostile to an organization that tries to turn boys into men, with sex alien to the process.

Since 1915, the Boy Scouts have managed land within San Diego's Balboa Park. It has built a swimming pool, a 600-seat amphitheater, and a camping facility that accommodates 300. Camp Balboa serves some 12,000 Boy Scouts annually through daylong events and weekend sleepovers. The Scouts' tie to this land is a 50-year lease offered by the San Diego City Council and signed in 1957. In exchange for their stewardship — including private investment for maintenance and development — the Scouts hand the city an annual lease payment of $1.00.

This arrangement is too much for the ACLU to swallow. It sued the City of San Diego to expel the Boy Scouts from Balboa Park. The ACLU contends that the Scouts are a religious organization and thus should be dislodged from the facility. Never mind that the Scouts did not bar other groups from using the park. In fact, according to Hans Zeiger, an 18-year-old Eagle Scout who has written about this controversy, Balboa Park hosted last summer's San Diego Gay Pride Festival.

Clinton-appointed U.S. District Judge Napoleon Jones deemed the Boy Scouts a religious organization last July and declared that their involvement with Balboa Park violated the separation of church and state. The ACLU used this ruling to secure a settlement wherein the City of San Diego cancelled the Scouts' lease on the park, even though it did not expire until 2007 and, in fact, was extended in 2001 for 25 years. The ACLU also scored $950,000 in attorneys fees and court costs, thus fleecing taxpayers and deepening its pockets.

San Diego's Boy Scouts are appealing Judge Jones' ruling. A federal judge someday may decide whether or not the Scouts' good deeds will go unpunished.

The ACLU's supporters should contemplate where this organization has placed itself vis-à-vis NAMBLA and the Boy Scouts. The ACLU seemingly believes that everyone deserves a lawyer, no matter how odious his case. Perhaps, although it would be nice to see NAMBLA siphon its own bank account rather than the ACLU's to justify its evil ways. The ACLU decides for itself where to devote its finite resources. Hence, its leaders freely chose to stand with cheerleaders for pederasty while torpedoing those who mentor rather than rape little boys.

Today's ACLU makes one wish it would find some whales to save.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: aclu; boyscouts; bsa; deroymurdock; gayclu; homosexualagenda; nambla; pedophiles; perverts
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To: xsysmgr
BTTT
41 posted on 02/27/2004 5:26:37 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe (Gay marriage is an oxymoron)
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To: xsysmgr
How to gain confidence of the parents? Sounds like what every democrat is doing with their opposition to the FMA and suport for homosexuals.

(except McCain, I think he lost it AGAIN)
42 posted on 02/27/2004 6:10:47 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Sabertooth
Ohio's Court of Appeals found NAMBLA complicit in an earlier child-rape case. NAMBLA's literature, discovered in a defendant's possession, reflected "preparation and purpose," according to the Buckeye State's top bench.

The ACLU has offered material support to those who openly preach pedophilia and arguably encourage kidnapping, rape, and murder. Yet this legal group is energetically hostile to an organization that tries to turn boys into men, with sex alien to the process.

Clinton-appointed U.S. District Judge Napoleon Jones deemed the Boy Scouts a religious organization last July and declared that their involvement with Balboa Park violated the separation of church and state. The ACLU used this ruling to secure a settlement wherein the City of San Diego cancelled the Scouts' lease on the park, even though it did not expire until 2007 and, in fact, was extended in 2001 for 25 years. The ACLU also scored $950,000 in attorneys fees and court costs, thus fleecing taxpayers and deepening its pockets.

This is why it is imperative to elect a Republican President. Those who don't see the difference between Democrats and Republicans are naïve or corrupt.
43 posted on 02/27/2004 6:43:17 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul (The "Passion" is the celebration of life over death, and it's no more anti-Semitic than is the Bible)
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To: xsysmgr
He wants back in.....


44 posted on 02/27/2004 7:05:22 PM PST by ppaul
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To: little jeremiah
there's nothing wrong with the ACLU and NAMBLA... that a little Napalm couldn't cure.
45 posted on 02/27/2004 7:11:31 PM PST by King Prout (I am coming to think that the tree of liberty is presently dying of thirst.)
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To: xsysmgr
Just think!

If you know an ACLU lawyer, you know somone who wants his or her own children to be sodomized.

Gramsci would be proud.

46 posted on 02/27/2004 7:20:59 PM PST by genew
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To: King Prout
Or some fatal diseases.
47 posted on 02/27/2004 8:46:24 PM PST by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: xsysmgr
I do not understand the ambivalence about ACLU. They have been vile and
dangerous and have preyed upon the laws and our Constitution like vultures ever since they were founded by Communists in the 1920s.
They have been directly responsible for most of the worst abuses in Judicial activism and the worst outrages in overbearing courts in the
last decades. It shouldnt take another outrage like their defense
of NAMBLA's incitement to murder to see that.

Nothing the ACLU has done has ever amounted to good for our nation and our civilization. Their defense of NAMBLA's aiding and abetting the rape and murder of boys as a 'free speech' case is typical, but just the latest outrage. They sued against the California recall vote - showing they really hate democracy when it may actually help republicans. They sue against religious free expression (Ten Commandments cases), and the freedom of association of the Boy Scouts. That was just last year.
Year in year out, these cultural marxists till the vineyards of moral
degradation to undermine America.

Roger Baldwin, co-founder of the ACLU, once said: "I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the properties class,
and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.
It all sums up into one single purpose -- the abolition of dog-eat-dog
under which we live. I don't regret being part of the communist
tactic. I knew what I was doing. I was not an innocent liberal. I
wanted what the communists wanted and I traveled the United Front road
to get it."

Pro-Constitution civil-libertarian conservatives need to wake and smell the coffee: The ACLU is the most damaging political organization in the United States. The ACLU is out to destroy America, and have had pretty good success in their efforts!
48 posted on 02/27/2004 8:55:52 PM PST by WOSG (If we call Republicans the "Grand Old Party" lets call Democrats the Corrupt Radical Activist Party.)
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To: Sloth
The ACLU claiming to defend 'freedom' is a total and utter sham.

The ACLU is the last and the most successful of the Communist Front organizations. (The Quaker "American Services Organization" is another but far less harmful and influential.)

49 posted on 02/27/2004 8:58:27 PM PST by WOSG (If we call Republicans the "Grand Old Party" lets call Democrats the Corrupt Radical Activist Party.)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
And note that forcing the Boy Scouts to accept homosexuals in that organization would very much serve the NAMBLA agenda.

50 posted on 02/27/2004 8:59:29 PM PST by WOSG (If we call Republicans the "Grand Old Party" lets call Democrats the Corrupt Radical Activist Party.)
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To: fishbabe
It should work that way, and good analogy. I thought of the same case myself.

Of course, skinheads and pedophiles are different on the Politically Correct scale of things.

But if it would undermine America to let them get away with it, you can be sure the ACLU would be there!
51 posted on 02/27/2004 9:02:44 PM PST by WOSG (If we call Republicans the "Grand Old Party" lets call Democrats the Corrupt Radical Activist Party.)
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To: WOSG
That's correct.
52 posted on 02/27/2004 9:04:31 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul (The "Passion" is the celebration of life over death, and it's no more anti-Semitic than is the Bible)
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To: xsysmgr
Defending the twisted NAMBLA, trying to take down the Boy Scouts, and having the most obtuse interpretation of the 2nd Amendment -- The ACLU is not fighting for principles that I happen to believe in, however pious they may feel about upholding their interpretation of the constitution.
53 posted on 02/27/2004 9:30:26 PM PST by spodefly (I am compelled to place text in this area.)
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To: xsysmgr
I met Mr. Curley several months after Jeffrey's death when we spoke at an event together regarding child predators. He has become an American hero for speaking out against these monsters and fighting to stop NAMBLA.
54 posted on 02/28/2004 12:12:48 AM PST by Tamzee (The Democrat Party...... Kerrying water for Communism since 1971)
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To: xsysmgr
The ACLU would try to get "The Passion" banned if they thought the government had a hand in it. That's how whacked out they are. Its too bad they can't join PETA in saving a whale.
55 posted on 02/28/2004 2:10:51 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: WOSG
i tried goggle for more info on tom metzger.....interesting stuff.the jury awarded mulgeta seraw[the black guy ] family 12.5 million dollars ..tom metzger and his son john had to pay 7 million of that award,and the two skinheads who did the killing only had to pay 500,000 each....tom metzger and his son were punished for inciting violence..the aclu was nowhere to be found....
56 posted on 02/28/2004 4:42:06 AM PST by fishbabe
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To: Sabertooth
I just read in Michael Savage's book the "Enemy within" that Ruth Bader Ginsberg was Chief Councel for the A.C.L.U.
What a "GREAT" background to be on the Supreme Court.
If that is the Standard then Stalin, Hitler and Castro would have been good Candidates by the Slugs that chose Ginsberg.
57 posted on 02/28/2004 5:48:40 AM PST by chatham
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To: little jeremiah
too slow, more's the pity.
58 posted on 02/28/2004 9:03:27 AM PST by King Prout (I am coming to think that the tree of liberty is presently dying of thirst.)
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To: King Prout
One never knows what the future holds.

The law of karma exists, whether someone believes it or not, or understands it or not. "As you sow, so shall you reap" - sometimes people who identify as Christians think that "karma" is something foreign or not applicable. It's just a law of the universe.

Sometimes it happens immediately, sometimes down the road. But eventually, if one plays with fire, one gets burned. If one practices same sex acts, one has to pay the (heavy) price. If people support such perversity, even at the expense of ordered society, the price is very heavy.

In the universal order, no one ever "gets away" with anything.

Ultimately, justice and mercy are the same thing, and they are inescapable. It has nothing to do with anyone's beliefs.

59 posted on 02/28/2004 9:48:09 AM PST by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: little jeremiah
The only problem with shrugging and relying on "karma" and the notion of "if one plays with fire..." is that along the way a great many innocents get harmed, a great many houses besides that of the arsonist burn down.
60 posted on 02/28/2004 1:06:50 PM PST by King Prout (I am coming to think that the tree of liberty is presently dying of thirst.)
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