Senate amendment 2619 (To S1805) - TED KENNEDY'S AMMO BAN - AG can ban ANY centerfire ammo

Thomas | 2-27-04 | Ted Kennedy

[Dan from Michigan]

SA 2619. Mr. KENNEDY submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill S. 1805, to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages resulting from the misuse of their products by others; as follows:

On page 11, after line 19, add the following:

SEC. 5. ARMOR PIERCING AMMUNITION.

(a) EXPANSION OF DEFINITION OF ARMOR PIERCING AMMUNITION.--Section 921(a)(17)(B) of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

(1) in clause (i), by striking ``or'' at the end;

(2) in clause (ii), by striking the period at the end and inserting a semicolon; and

(3) by adding at the end the following:

``(iii) a projectile that may be used in a handgun and that the Attorney General determines, pursuant to section 926(d), to be capable of penetrating body armor; or

``(iv) a projectile for a centerfire rifle, designed or marketed as having armor piercing capability, that the Attorney General determines, pursuant to section 926(d), to be more likely to penetrate body armor than standard ammunition of the same caliber.''.

(b) DETERMINATION OF THE CAPABILITY OF PROJECTILES TO PENETRATE BODY ARMOR.--Section 926 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

``(d)(1) Not later than 1 year after the date of enactment of this subsection, the Attorney General shall promulgate standards for the uniform testing of projectiles against Body Armor Exemplar.

``(2) The standards promulgated pursuant to paragraph (1) shall take into account, among other factors, variations in performance that are related to the length of the barrel of the handgun or centerfire rifle from which the projectile is fired and the amount and kind of powder used to propel the projectile.

``(3) As used in paragraph (1), the term `Body Armor Exemplar' means body armor that the Attorney General determines meets minimum standards for the protection of law enforcement officers.''.

[Dan from Michigan]

Litmus test amendment for my vote. BTW - Ted Kennedy on CSPAN mentioned the .223 and .30-30.

[CholeraJoe]

Time to stock up on some more SS-109, NATO surplus green tip.

[marktwain]

I thought the NRA was telling us this was a "clean" bill??

These are clearly poison pill amendments meant to kill the bill. I would rather have no bill than further restrictions, and I guess, that is the purpose.

[Delmarksman]

Every single type of Centerfire Rifle Ammo on the market is able to penetrate Body Armor.

[Joe Brower]

[G.Mason]

"Time to stock up on some more SS-109, NATO surplus green tip."

Time to stock up period!

It's a shame too. "Crappie" season is just starting and I was planning to get more jigs. ;)

Let's see ...... I'll have 500 rds of 00 Buck, 3,000 rds of .223, 1,000 rds of .357, & two packs of them there Crappie jigs

[TexasRedeye]

"W" has sent written word to Frist - if it is not a "clean" bill, he will veto it!

Dims have no option but to try to put every amendment they can think of from continued unemployment checks to AWB continuance to this silly Ted Kennedy bloviation as riders to this bill that is almost guaranteed a passing vote (expecially since Dasshole himself is touting the bill as a good law - of course, he is running for re-election this year, also)

So far, all attempts to muddy the bill with Dim amendments has failed. Should one actually succeed and be attached - "W's" written directive says he will veto it!

Additionally, this bill must still go through the House and DeLay has promised it will never see the floor to be voted on if it contains the AWB. I suspect Kennedy's "cop killer bullet ban" would get the same treatment from DeLay.

[Dan from Michigan]

BTW - I THINK THE VOTE IS TUESDAY

[CholeraJoe]

Don't forget the tracers and the .50 BMG.

[FreedomPoster]

Hirtenberger 7.52x51 NATO

[Lazamataz]

You are one of my favorite people, Dan.

[archy]

I thought the NRA was telling us this was a "clean" bill??

These are clearly poison pill amendments meant to kill the bill. I would rather have no bill than further restrictions, and I guess, that is the purpose.

NRA Board Member Larry Craig, lately seen chumming around with Hillary Clinton, has also offered an *armor piercing ammo* bill of his own. Looks like the NRA has sold us out again.

NRA Director Sen. Larry Craig's Ammunition Ban Amendment

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

What should be banned is Kennedy's drunkenness and utter lack of principles at all levels.

[Blood of Tyrants]

It was a clean bill. But there is absolutely nothing to prevent any senator from amending any bill with anything that strikes their fancy. So far the amendments that have passed are just to throw the anti-gun senators a bone.

[Tree of Liberty]

Has that been documented anywhere?

[Texas Federalist]

"W" has sent written word to Frist - if it is not a "clean" bill, he will veto it!

Source? I had heard that Bush had encouraged a clean bill only because he was concerned that it might otherwise be delayed. I never heard of the veto threat.

[MagnusMaximus1]

Most of us here already know who all the bad guys are (ie. Kennedy, Feinstein, Schumer, etc).

Maybe it's time for us to start posting the names of and info. regarding potential RINOs and other Benedict Arnolds who are needed to pass any compromises, amendments and other attachments to the Gunmakers relief bill.

[CHICAGOFARMER]

Well you gun owners may want to hold your horses as this plays out.

Here is the latest read from NRA. I received it at 9:45am chicagotime.




On Wednesday morning, the U.S. Senate began to debate S. 1805—the "Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act" (formerly referenced as S. 659/S. 1806.) A bi-partisan 75-22 vote allowed debate to proceed, lifting the threat of a filibuster.

The debate continued late into the evening with no substantive movement on the bill and no additional votes were taken. Senators did, however, reach a "Unanimous Consent Agreement" spelling out specific amendments that would be permitted to be offered during the debate in anticipation of a final vote on the underlying measure next Tuesday.

On Thursday, the Senate reconvened and first considered was an amendment by anti-gun Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) that would require all handguns be sold with a mechanical safety device approved by the Consumer Product Safety Commission(CPSC). This amendment was then replaced with a "second degree" amendment by Sen. Herb Kohl (D-WI). The Kohl amendment is much less restrictive and also provides liability protection for gun owners. The revised amendment passed 70-27.

The Senate next debated an amendment by Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell (R-CO) which would permit current and retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed firearms off duty in other states. Arguing hysterically against the amendment, anti-gun Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA) revealed his deep distrust of gun carrying even by sworn police officers. A vote on the Campbell amendment was deferred until Tuesday.

Sen. Kennedy then introduced an amendment to ban the manufacture and sale of "armor-piercing" ammunition. Kennedy, who actually condemned the .30-30 Winchester cartridge during debate, wants to institute a "performance-based" standard that would grant any future Attorney General sweeping authority to ban any center-fire ammunition, including most common-place rifle hunting ammunition. The standard proposed by Sen. Kennedy was rejected in the 1980s as overly broad and unnecessary to meet any threat posed to law enforcement officers` safety. A vote on this NRA-opposed amendment will take place Tuesday.

The Senate next debated and voted upon two amendments seeking to gut S. 1805. The first related to the D.C. sniper case, but the proposal by Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-MD) was defeated, 56-40. A "law enforcement" exemption offered by Sen. John Corzine (D-NJ) was soundly defeated, 56 to 38.

NRA strongly opposed both amendments. One of the strengths of S. 1805 is that it adopts the same rules for all plaintiffs, no matter how sympathetic or unsympathetic, and no matter how notorious or mundane their victimization. Plaintiffs` rights should depend on settled principles of law, not on emotion or sympathy.

NRA-ILA stands totally committed to enacting S. 1805 without anti-gun amendments, and will continue to vigorously oppose any reauthorization of the 1994 Clinton gun ban and any attempt to ban gun shows.

Please continue to contact your U.S. Senators at (202) 224-3121 and urge them to support S. 1805 without any anti-gun amendments. Call ILA`s Grassroots staff at (800) 392-8683, or visit http://www.nraila.org/stoprecklesslawsuits.aspx for additional information and to utilize the "Write Your Representatives" feature to contact your U.S. Senators.

This post is to provide information to the histeria that is running rapid on the internet.

I do not support NRA, nor am I a friend of NRA. However, U suggest that you don't have all the information.

[MagnusMaximus1]

Oh, that's just great. /sarcasm off.

They can do their dirty work, mainly under the national media's radar screen, while most of the country is hearing about Super Tuesday's presidential primary elections. :-\

[Sir Gawain]

Is it time yet?