[Travis McGee]

Has anyone gone and done the .30 > .22 sabot trick with the Tokarev? I'd like to know what kind of FPS you'd get out of a Tokarev with about a 55 grain .22 bullet.

[Squantos]

http://owlnet.com/quality/223%20Timbs.htm

The .223 Timbs is a special loading of the 7.62x25 round for use only in the CZ-52 pistol. It consists of a sabot like the Remington "Accelerator" pushing a 50gr bullet over 2000fps. Concept was for devastating multi-purpose round, useable for small game, varmits, and defense. Accuracy has proven to be on-par with traditional rounds fired from the same pistol, and terminal ballistics are quite impressive with initial tests showing devastating expansion from the varmit-type bullets.


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[archy]

Has anyone gone and done the .30 > .22 sabot trick with the Tokarev? I'd like to know what kind of FPS you'd get out of a Tokarev with about a 55 grain .22 bullet.

Oh yes. That's known as the .223 Timbs, though the standard .308-.311 bore diameter barrel of the 7,63mm Mauser *Broomhandle*, the Czech Vz52 rollerlocked pistol, or the Soviet 7,62x25mm TT-30 or TT-33 Tokarev pistols are most commonly used, though I've also seen a .38 Super Colt Commander so reworked. And it can also be done with 7,62x25 machinepistols with longer barrels, raising velocities even higher. The Soviet PPSh-41 with 71-round drum magazine is particularly sporty in this respect.

Depending on the strength of the particular pistol used, velocities can range in the 1750-2000 fps range, using a 50 or 55-grain bullet. It's also possible to use the heavier .224 jacketed bullets of the SS109 5,56mm ammunition, or that of the 5,45mm Soviet AK74 cartridge.

One minor downside has been the inavailability of tracer ammunition, since the plastic sabot fitted around the base of the cartridge precludes ignition from the burning powder charge. But a couple of possible alternatives are under consideration and may work out.

[SauronOfMordor]

I'd like to know what kind of FPS you'd get out of a Tokarev with about a 55 grain .22 bullet.

Remington used to make "Remington Accelerator" ammo, which was a sabot-ed .223 in a 30-06. Close to 4K fps, if I remember correctly. I think hand-loaders can occasionally find the plastic sabots to make their own