Posted on 02/26/2004 11:15:11 PM PST by TERMINATTOR
While National Rifle Association officials have been denying that they've been orchestrating a sellout in the U.S. Senate, Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID) -- an NRA Director -- has been working on an ammunition ban. On the Senate floor today, he introduced, discussed, defended and tried to justify the "Craig/Frist" amendment. This amendment, said Craig, is needed "to strengthen current armor piercing ammunition law." NRA's point-man in the U.S. Senate says that this is "what the law enforcement community needs."
"We don't want to wipe out the hunting and sporting ammunition," said Craig. The "sporting purpose" test was used before -- as justification for firearm rights infringements via the 1938 Nazi Weapons Law and later copied nearly verbatim in the U.S. Gun Control Act of 1968.
"Let's send a message that armor piercing ammunition is flat off limits," said Sen. Craig.
The NRA Director went on to support strong enforcement of his proposed ammunition ban, using phrases like "prison for life."
The Second Amendment does not enumerate the right of the people to keep and bear "sporting" arms. Banning any arms, or their ammunition, is clearly off limits to Congress. A longtime Director of the National Rifle Association ought to know that. Instead, he's supporting an ammo ban -- based on the infamous Nazi "sporting purpose" text -- on the floor of the U.S. Senate.
Some might suggest that it doesn't matter what gets said on the Senate floor -- that what matters is what gets signed into law. People who believe that ought to consider the dangers here. Once a "pro gun" congressman publicly expresses support for gun control -- ammunition control is indeed gun control -- he empowers the enemy and emboldens future attempts to whittle away our rights.
The truth about civilian possession of "armor piercing ammunition" is immutable, immovable, unchanging. If government employees can deploy AP ammo against the people, denying that same ammunition to the people is directly contradictory to the meaning, purpose and intent of the Second Amendment: a balance of power.
The excuse for banning AP ammo -- "to protect law enforcement employees" -- is a dangerous road to travel. It's the same justification used to ban magazines that hold more than ten rounds. It's the same reason given to deny The People free access to machineguns. It was the same foundation upon which the Clinton/Feinstein semi-auto rifle ban was built and signed into law.
When does that excuse stop working? When the legal magazine capacity is reduced to five rounds? When all semi-auto rifles are banned? When owning a bullet-resistant vest means life imprisonment -- unless the government signs your paycheck? When all handguns are banned?
If you use "protecting law enforcement" as justification to restrict the right of the people to keep and bear arms -- if you accept that unacceptable excuse for chipping away at the Second Amendment -- then lay down your arms and go tend your garden, catch up on your reading and forget about restoring the Second Amendment. There's no end to that excuse other than total disarmament -- because even a mere single shot .22 caliber rifle manufactured before World War One can be used to injure a law enforcement officer.
Bear in mind that Sen. Craig's ammo ban amendment is being offered today, by him -- to his own bill. The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (S1805) is written to protect gun manufacturers from the frivolous lawsuits being waged by those whose ultimate goal is to ban all firearms. The bill is being used as a rider for many other gun controls today and leading up to the final vote on Tuesday. Sen. Craig wants to amend his own bill -- with an ammunition ban -- under the guise of abiding his oath of office. He said so on C-SPAN, in plain English.
We've requested text of the Amendment (SA2625) from Senator Craig's office and through another Senator's office, as well. As soon as we have it, we will publish it.
According to my Speer manual #11, the figures for the Russian ammo and the .308 is about equal to the maximum loads listed with similar bullets.
On the other hand both the 30-06 and 30-30 show about 200fps faster in the Speer manual. The 30-30 loads btw were taken in a carbine length barrel.
I used to load those really cheap 100 grain plinkers with 8 grains of Unique. This was just for playing around with but the power was far more than I would have guessed. I remember shooting an oak limb maybe 8 inches in diameter with one, thinking it would be unlikely to penetrate but it went right through it.
37 grains of 4064 gives 2642 not 2663 as I stated. This is from a 20 inch barrel.
You think gang-bangers can't get vests as easily as they get illegal guns? You think they wouldn't put one on just before they KNOW they're going to be using guns?
Plus, if there's any unpleasantness in suburbia, it will most likely take the form of thugs showing up in vehicles -- in which case ammo capable of penetrating a car body or disabling an engine block would be EXACTLY what was needed.
When younger,I chased cows for a rancher in the mountains and that little load sure made some of the guys I knew set up and take notice when we were all shooting 30-30s across a valley.
Everybody had Winchesters but me and I kept telling 'em the difference was having a Marlin. ;)
I did finally fess up.Heee...
Don't forget the Emerson case and federal law -- a restraining order can make it illegal to possess ammunition or firearms. Emerson was not convicted of a crime and the District Judge said Emerson had made no threat against his wife (he did threaten to the wife to harm her lover, but that is not included in the fed law.) [ U.S. Code title 18, section 922(g)]
Remington used to make "Remington Accelerator" ammo, which was a sabot-ed .223 in a 30-06. Close to 4K fps, if I remember correctly. I think hand-loaders can occasionally find the plastic sabots to make their own
So why then does the local police armory contain a stockpile of AP ammo? Are they planning on killing other cops?
You don't "need" porn either, but it's protected under the 1st Amendment. You don't "need" to join the Wiccans, as the Catholic Church is available and will do just fine, but joining the Wiccans is protected under the 1st Amendment. Where is the "need" clause of the 2nd Amendment?
It does appear, though, that the 30-06 has a much greater velocity than both the 7.62X39 and the 30-30. As I recall (at least I think I do), the 30-06 is akin to the M1 Garand, right?
I did have the superiority of the 30-06 correctly in mind but got my numbers wrong. Thanks for the good info and your willingness to share your knowledge and keen eye for facts and errors.....
Heck, they've done it with money found on people at the airport. No crime, no history of crime, no charges filed. The Centurians simply take your money, and send you on your way -- after giving the ticket agent her cut out of the take, for having reported you to them.
Happens all the time, at airports, on highways, etc.
There are some very ugly things going on.
They killed him, but they couldn't get his land. They didn't know that he had a tape recorder on his phone, so when they called in to tidy things up, his wife had a record of it. But, he was still dead.
The Garand fires the 30-06, although some have been converted to 7.62X51. So did it's predecessors the M1903 Springfield and the M1917 Enfield.
That's why I wrote my book: to present them with a view of the future which they are bringing upon us all.
I didn't even know the author's affiliations when looking for it but several years ago finally got a chance to read it and still can't understand the uproar.
The author did have a very non-PC story line but I can't see how "that" fiction could cause the powers that be such concern.
I'd worry more about some of the (PC) Left's "how to manuals",websites and training sessions.
Travis,don't EVER think I am comparing the "Turner" author's writing abilities to your's.No comparison-no way. :)
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