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Tories disown cockler joke MP
BBC News Online ^ | 26/02/04

Posted on 02/26/2004 5:22:23 AM PST by Ed Thomas

Tories disown cockler joke MP

Tory leader Michael Howard has expelled an MP from the parliamentary party for failing to apologise for a joke about the deaths of 20 Chinese cocklers. Ann Winterton, 63, the MP for Congleton in Cheshire, had the party whip withdrawn over remarks made during an after-dinner speech.

Mr Howard called them and her refusal to say sorry "completely unacceptable".

Twenty migrants died after being caught by a rising tide at Morecambe Bay in Lancashire earlier this month.

'Completely unacceptable'

Two years ago Mrs Winterton was sacked as shadow cabinet spokeswoman for agriculture for making a racist joke at a rugby club dinner. The latest incident involved comments - about sharks and a take-away - she made at a Whitehall dinner to improve Anglo-Danish relations, attended by MPs and industry figures.

Mrs Winterton issued a statement on Thursday saying she did not intend to comment on "recent events other than to say it has never been my practice to discuss publicly conversations which took place at a private dinner party at a private flat".

"The decision by my party's leadership will not impact on my ability or determination to represent my constituents."

But Labour MP Nick Palmer, who was at the dinner, told BBC Radio 4's Today: "People were a bit stunned really. It was a very low-key friendly dinner. I was very sorry for the host - it was just a group of people discussing Danish issues.

"Most people make a bad joke now and then, but to make a joke about people who have just died in particularly horrible circumstances - the contrast between standing on the beach in the dark being drowned and sitting round a comfortable table making jokes about them is just, just horrible."

Mr Howard said in a statement: "Ann Winterton's remarks about the tragic deaths in Morecambe Bay were completely unacceptable."

"Such sentiments have no place in the Conservative Party."

"I deplore them and I apologise for them on behalf of my party."

Last week he used a speech in Burnley, the scene of race riots in 2001, to denounce the British National Party which has seven council seats in the town.

The speed of Mr Howard's decision to withdraw the whip reflects the determination of the Tory leader that the party should not be affected by any taint of racism.

Withdrawing the whip means that Mrs Winterton remains an MP, but is not now part of the Conservative Party grouping at the House of Commons.

She can not be an official Conservative Party candidate at the next election while the whip is withdrawn. To get it back the party has said she must apologise for her joke.

'Decisive action'

Dr Peter Kolker, chairman of Congleton Conservative Constituency Association, described the MPs remarks as "unremarkably unfunny" and added "I think what she said was just stupid".

He added: "I have a good sense of humour so long as it is reasonably clean and this was not funny at all.I think it was an error."

Speaking at his home in Goostrey, Cheshire, Dr Kolker refused to be drawn on whether there would be moves to deselect Lady Winterton and said that would be a matter for the association to decide.

He said the MP was very popular in the constituency and any decision about her future could not be as a result of a knee-jerk reaction.

Lord Taylor of Warwick, a Tory peer who suffered racism from party members when a prospective Tory MP in Cheltenham in 1992, said he was shocked by Mrs Winterton's comments.

He said: "She simply does not learn from past mistakes. This is the second time she has made a racist, insensitive and totally unfunny remark.

"She's a well-educated woman, but with no common sense. I do not think she is fit to be a member of parliament."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: michaelhoward; tories; uk
Interesting stuff, IMO. Shades of Trent Lott perhaps?
1 posted on 02/26/2004 5:22:24 AM PST by Ed Thomas
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To: Ed Thomas
So goes another politician who thinks the world was their oyster. Should have clammed up and said nothing.
2 posted on 02/26/2004 5:25:30 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Just once I'd like to get by on my looks.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Why? she told a joke at a private dinner party. How absurd.
3 posted on 02/26/2004 5:28:29 AM PST by SouthernFreebird
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To: Ed Thomas
The Humour Impared are everywhere.......
4 posted on 02/26/2004 5:29:28 AM PST by AlbertWang
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To: SouthernFreebird
It was a joke.
5 posted on 02/26/2004 5:29:51 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Just once I'd like to get by on my looks.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Oh gawd.....I'm an idiot.
6 posted on 02/26/2004 5:31:27 AM PST by SouthernFreebird
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To: SouthernFreebird; Tijeras_Slim
Stop trying to mussel Slim around.
7 posted on 02/26/2004 5:32:07 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: SouthernFreebird
It's early, do what I do and claim coffee deficit. :)
8 posted on 02/26/2004 5:33:45 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Just once I'd like to get by on my looks.)
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To: Constitution Day

LOL
9 posted on 02/26/2004 5:34:57 AM PST by SouthernFreebird
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To: Ed Thomas
"The latest incident involved comments - about sharks and a take-away"

I presume the punch line was something about the sharks soon being hungry again?

10 posted on 02/26/2004 5:35:59 AM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: SouthernFreebird
:)
11 posted on 02/26/2004 5:37:23 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: SouthernFreebird; Constitution Day
Poor newbie Ed Thomas tries to have a nice post, and we shellfishly hijack it with low FReeper humor.
12 posted on 02/26/2004 5:37:27 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Just once I'd like to get by on my looks.)
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To: Ed Thomas
"Don't mention the War! I mentioned it once ... but I think I got away with it."
13 posted on 02/26/2004 5:39:56 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (You can see it coming like a train on a track.)
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To: billorites
The BBC have been promoting this news story all day in every TV and Radio bulletin. There has even been a radio discussion program about it. From this I have learned that these jokes have been widely told. People were even getting sent them on TEXT messages. So I went on line to find out what it was all about.

The joke seems to have been (there are others);

Two sharks in the Irish sea, One shark says to the other I’m fed up eating all this mackerel, the other shark says why don’t we swim round to Morecombe for a Chinese then.


Guess I will never make political office now.

14 posted on 02/26/2004 5:51:40 AM PST by protest1
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To: Tijeras_Slim
"Poor newbie Ed Thomas tries to have a nice post, and we shellfishly hijack it with low FReeper humor."

Nothing wrong with a bit of low humour- In any case, I'm sure nobody did it on porpoise ;)
15 posted on 02/26/2004 6:00:13 AM PST by Ed Thomas
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To: SouthernFreebird
Why? she told a joke at a private dinner party. How absurd.
I dont call a Whitehall dinner to improve Anglo-Danish relations, attended by MPs and industry figures.
a private dinner party.
16 posted on 02/26/2004 6:03:23 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: protest1; SouthernFreebird
Two sharks in the Irish sea, One shark says to the other I’m fed up eating all this mackerel, the other shark says why don’t we swim round to Morecombe for a Chinese then.

Well, that's not a 'racist' joke or anything like that, it's pretty ok for non-politicos to say it and maybe even for her to say it at her own place, but to say it at a state level dinner is, well, stupid. Kick the stupid tory out!
17 posted on 02/26/2004 6:06:26 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Cronos
State level dinner? a bit of an overstatement I think.

But Labour MP Nick Palmer, who was at the dinner, told BBC Radio 4's Today: "People were a bit stunned really. It was a very low-key friendly dinner. I was very sorry for the host - it was just a group of people discussing Danish issues..

The fuss made about this is all out of proportion to the actually event. Almost no one would ever have heard of it had the BBC had not decided to give it wall to wall coverage.

Although I do think she was stupid to make a joke like this at any kind of political event however small and low key.

In my view the BBC decided to give this such coverage hoping to accuse the Conservative party with a false charge of racism.
The Tories know and kicked her out pronto. Hence disarming the BBC on this issue.

18 posted on 02/26/2004 6:38:42 AM PST by protest1
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To: Ed Thomas
Anyhow, welcome to FR. Always glad to more of our cousins from across the pond aboard. There have been several distinguished FReepers from the UK.
19 posted on 02/26/2004 7:14:03 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Just once I'd like to get by on my looks.)
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To: protest1
I kind of doubt it as being some great BBC plot -- the beeb has been treading very carefully since the Hutton report. Any politico needs to be careful about their language. A private citizen may joke but the politicos need to mind their ps and qs
20 posted on 02/26/2004 7:37:40 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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