Civilization Watch: Humpty-Dumpty Logic (Orson Scott Card on Gay Marriage)

The Rhinoceros Times, Greensboro, NC / The Ornery American ^ | February 15, 2004 | Orson Scott Card

[hedgetrimmer]

Thats how communism works, IMO.

[ahayes]

My respect for Orson Scott Card grows every time I read one of his articles. Let's hope this trend continues!

[TruthConquers]

Maybe this is part of the reason they are so afraid of Mel Gibson's movie, it will make people that much more difficult to control.

BINGO!

[PogySailor]

Wow, what an excellent post. I've always enjoyed OSC as a sci-fi writer, but I'm really beginning to respect his political writings also.

[r9etb]

I've always enjoyed OSC as a sci-fi writer, but I'm really beginning to respect his political writings also.

LOL! I got sick of him in the last book in his "Ender's Game" series, when Ender sat around and cried all the time. It was probably a mistake, but I just kinda lost interest in Card's books after that.

[Francis McClobber]

bump

[Sloth]

Can you please correct the spelling of 'civilization' (add the Z) in the title? Thanks.

[SpottedBeaver]

To be honest, I haven't read much of Orson Scott Card's political commentary. I knew he was a registered Democrat, so I cringed when I clicked on the article.

Then I remembered why I love the way he writes.

What in the heck is he doing associating himself with Democrats?

Anyway, could you add me to your OSC ping list?

[Snuffington]

Excellent article. A rather good answer to those who suggest gay marriage won't hurt anybody.

[Cicero]

I agree with you that the sequels to Ender's Game gradually go downhill. I'd recommend the first of a parellel series, "Ender's Shadow," which is quite good. I don't know where this other sequence is going, but the first novel in it is excellent.

And I strongly recommend his SF-fantasy novel, "Wyrms." Very powerful. I think I like it even more than "Ender's Game."

I also recommend "Seventh Son," although there again I think maybe the sequence goes downhill after the second or third novel in the alternate America series.

[PogySailor]

I quit that series after Xenocide. But I liked the Homecoming books (well, the first 4). OSC does tend not to know how to cleanly end a series and they tend to fall apart after 3 - 4 books.

[lepton]

LOL! I got sick of him in the last book in his "Ender's Game" series, when Ender sat around and cried all the time.

I didn't much care for ones after Enders Game about Ender either, but Enders Game itself, and the trilogy about Bean, were excellent.

[Bigg Red]

To be honest, I didn't read all of it; it's way too long. But he does make excellent points and states them well.

[Molly Pitcher]

It is the most morally conservative portion of society that is most successful in raising children who believe in loyalty and oath-keeping and self-control and self-sacrifice.

YEP!!

And one of the ideas that gets me every time...NON-compassionate conservative that I'm supposed to be ...is how costly the cultural decline of the past decades has been for the so-called "underprivileged".

Drug use, alcoholism, illegitimate children create obstacles which are very hard to overcome in families already struggling.

[Teacher317]

He's got to be my favorite Democrat of all time, or at least in the top 3.

[DameAutour]

What an excellent, excellent article by a Bush Democrat. It's long, but it has to be long to cover the subject so convincingly, so thoroughly.

If homosexuals are allowed to "marry" others of the same sex, they will not have actually married. That's not a "marriage". But the word "marriage" will cease to have much meaning for all except those of us who refuse to cave. And those ones will be marginalized and their children "reprogrammed" in the public schools.

They're taking words like "family", "rights", "love", "marriage" etc, and radically redefining them.

In order to claim that they are deprived, you have to change the meaning of "marriage" to include a relationship that it has never included before this generation, anywhere on earth.

Exactly! And this is why I am disturbed when some so-called conservatives claim to support homosexual "marriage", as if it is no big deal to call a homosexual relationship a marriage.

So not only are two sexes required in order to conceive children, children also learn their sex-role expectations from the parents in their own family. This is precisely what large segments of the Left would like to see break down. And if it is found to have unpleasant results, they will, as always, insist that the cure is to break down the family even further.

Spot-on. This isn't about "love" or "values" or "rights". This is part of the Left's long-established agenda of breaking down and destroying the family. This is a big battle in the culture war.

Of course, in our current society we are two generations into the systematic destruction of the institution of marriage. In my childhood, it was rare to know someone whose parents were divorced; now, it seems almost as rare to find someone whose parents have never been divorced.

How sad. And how sad for the children who have to grow up in a society such as this. Such an uncivilized and unstable people cannot govern themselves.

Civilizations that enforce rules of marriage that give most males and most females a chance to have children that live to reproduce in their turn are the civilizations that last the longest. It's such an obvious principle that few civilizations have even attempted to flout it.

This article should also be read by all of those conservatives who are having a difficult time understanding why the government is involved with marriage at all. That's not really a conservative view, it's a libertarian view, but it is held by quite a few on this forum.

But homosexual "marriage" is an act of intolerance. It is an attempt to eliminate any special preference for marriage in society -- to erase the protected status of marriage in the constant balancing act between civilization and individual reproduction.

They are intolerant of heterosexuals. Heterophobia seems much more real than homophobia. They are doing whatever they can to destroy society's natural preference for heterosexual relationships, and demonizing it at every turn. Are there are any healthy marriages on television anymore? They are stealing from our children the very concepts of "marriage" and "family". It is an outrageous assault.

So either civilized people will succeed in establishing a government that protects the family; or civilized people will withdraw their allegiance from the government that won't protect it; or the politically correct barbarians will have complete victory over the family -- and, lacking the strong family structure on which civilization depends, our civilization will collapse or fade away.

No matter what, things cannot stay as they are now.

[jimt]

Excellent post. Thanks !

[little jeremiah]

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

Bookmark this for later reading if you don't have time now. Orson Scott Card writes good books, too (the couple I've read). It looks to be a very good analysis.

Let me know if you want on/off this list.

[King Prout]

OSC is the Man.

I have corresponded with him now and then over on Hatrackriver.com, and he has ever impressed me with his moral clarity and his compassion.

His words are to be considered, very very seriously.

[little jeremiah]

I appreciate the alerts. I have been very busy lately and just do not have the time (unless I cut down on sleep...) to peruse FR the way I would like. So getting alerted really helps.

(I'm hoping I'll have more time in future, but not sure just when. Not in the next few weeks.)