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JOHN KERRY'S RADICAL PAST
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| 2/25/04
| Joel Moebray
Posted on 02/25/2004 7:47:04 AM PST by areafiftyone
After the media tore into President Bushs 30-year-old National Guard record like a voracious pit bull into a bacon-scented postman, Democrats have been licking their chops in anticipation of highlighting John Kerrys decorated service during the same time period.
A new web site launching this week, however, should give Democrats more than a moments pauseand its likely just the opening salvo in exposing the truth about the outlandish actions of Kerry and his comrades as part of an anti-war group known as Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW).
The new site, WinterSoldier.com , is named after the event that helped raise Kerry to prominence in 1971. The Winter Soldier Investigation, as it was called, was held in Detroit from January 31 to February 2with financial backing from Jane Fonda, according to an historian cited on the web sitewhere over 100 veterans testified about the most horrendous war crimes imaginable happening every day.
John Kerry was an instant celebrity, and the group behind the three-day conference, Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), certainly served his political ambitions well. But if the wealth of information found at WinterSoldier.com gains any traction, Kerrys past could come back to haunt him.
VVAW was a media favorite: war veterans who were anti-war. Quite a sales pitch. But the more realistic characterization would have been Americans who were anti-American. (Literally, too: One of the documents at WinterSoldier.com is the minutes of a VVAW executive meeting where members decided to take down American flags from all VVAW offices.)
Their goal was not just to sour Americans on the Vietnam war, but to make them hate America and American soldiers.
Hence the Winter Soldier Investigation.
The three-day circus featured tales of the most sadistic forms of torture, including genital mutilation and gang rape, and wanton mass murder of innocent civilians. Kerry and the others claimed that almost unprecedented war crimes were not simply rampant, but committed as a matter of U.S. policy.
One of the most shocking quotes comes from Kerry himself, claiming that he had committed war crimes in Vietnam, then suggested he was merely following orders. Following orders, however, does not absolve someone of guilt for committing war crimes. Which begs the question: will Kerry be willing to discuss the details of the war crimes he claims to have committed?
Some will excuse VVAWs actions and hyperbolic rhetoric as the work of people understandably disillusioned by an embittering war experience. But there is evidence suggesting that many of the atrocities routinely touted by VVAW were, well, made up.
An excerpt of historian Guenter Lewys book According to America posted on WinterSoldier.com discusses the results of a government investigation that attempted to corroborate the claims made at the VVAW event in Detroit. The investigators couldnt.
According to Lewy, the VVAW had told its members not to cooperate with the government inquirya probe that was initiated by Sen. Mark Hatfield of Oregon in order to verify gruesome claims made at the VVAW-sponsored event. The historian also notes that government inspectors found veterans whose names had been used by people testifying in Detroit that were not actually there.
In other words, some of the witnesses in Detroit were impostors, tarnishing the names of real soldiers.
It appears that Kerry was also something of an impostor. During a massive rally in front of the U.S. Capitol, a number of veterans threw their medals over a high-wire fence. One was Kerry. Or at least so it appeared.
The section Busted by the historians contains an excerpt from Stolen Valor by B. G. Burkett, Glenna Whitley. The key quote: But years later, after his election to the Senate, Kerrys medals turned up on the wall of his Capitol Hill office. When a reporter noticed them, Kerry admitted that the medals he had thrown that day were not his.
Since Kerrys comrades seem so eager to judge President Bushs character by whether or not he fulfilled a handful of National Guard obligations, the door may already have been opened to attacks on the Democratic front runners own conduct from those days.
Voters could have plenty of versions of Kerry from which to choose: the communist sympathizer who gleefully defamed America and millions of American soldiers, the war hero too cowardly to throw away his own medals, or the anti-war activist who was so eager to claim he had committed war crimes.
TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: 2004; joelmoebray; kerry; vvaw; wintersoldier
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To: Howlin
Back from lunch. Did you see that the "Dream Candidate" for replacing Donald Rumsfeld is GARY HART?????
To the ramparts! Man the barricades!!! These people must NEVER get near the White House!!!
To: areafiftyone
"The section Busted by the historians contains an excerpt from Stolen Valor by B. G. Burkett..."
I heard Michael Medved interview Mr. Burkett yesterday; verrrrry interesting!! One guy who called in to the program mentioned how remarkable it was that Kerry got a bronze, silver, and three purples in 4 months' time!!!
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posted on
02/25/2004 10:09:51 AM PST
by
Maria S
("I will do whatever the Americans want…I saw what happened in Iraq, and I was afraid." Gaddafi, 9/03)
To: areafiftyone
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posted on
02/25/2004 10:11:21 AM PST
by
FBD
(...Please press 2 for English...for Espanol, please stay on the line...)
To: areafiftyone; Miss Marple; hchutch; giznort; Howlin; Grampa Dave
C'mon you guys! PP&M's music was some of the best folk music we've ever had - except for their anti-war songs. Take a look at their early songs - many were very Christian and some were very patriotic - others, like the Garden Song were simply fun to work with. Stookey's Marriage Song ("He is now to be among us...") is still one of the best, too. And truth be told, most of us agree with the desires expressed in the anti-war rhetoric, but unlike them, we realize that it is fallacy to expect imperfect human beings to ever attain such a state.
They were very good artists - but I wouldn't want a Dali or Escher painting on the front of the White House.
All the rest of your comments about not wanting them anywhere near the WH and not wanting to relive the '60s I wholeheartedly agree with.
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posted on
02/25/2004 10:40:53 AM PST
by
AFPhys
(((PRAYING for: President Bush & advisors, troops & families, Americans)))
To: AFPhys
I'm sorry I just can't get into their music. Never could. That's just my taste though. :-)
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posted on
02/25/2004 10:44:29 AM PST
by
areafiftyone
(Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
To: Miss Marple
"Did you see that the "Dream Candidate" for replacing Donald Rumsfeld is GARY HART?????"
Yeah, in my worst nightmare would this slimeball replace Rummy!
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posted on
02/25/2004 10:47:07 AM PST
by
Grampa Dave
(John F'onda Kerry has been a Benedict Arnold and legislative terrorist since Nam!)
To: AFPhys
Unfortunately, I now associate their music with the democrats, which is a killer artictically for me. The only reason I liked their music back in the day was that it was easy to sing along with, unlike some other performers.
Now if you want to talk about the late Jim Croce, I am and will always be a fan.
Besides, Peter Paul and Mary remind me of that old Gallagher routine..."I'm still stuck in the sizxties.."
And, you must admit this song about going to jail for justice is really lame! LOL!
To: Grampa Dave
You know, people really need to think about what the election of Kerry would mean. Not only the artists at the inaugural ceremony, but who would be in the cabinet? Yikes!!!
To: areafiftyone; Miss Marple
'Tis OK to not get into folk music, particularly theirs - I meant to point out that PP&M were at one time very Christian and reasonably patriotic. Their music was, and still is, great singing music - even the anti-US junk is catchy.
I've not heard that latest song, and don't really want to - I prefer to recall their oldies and goodies instead.
MM's admonition that people recall the type of advisors Kerry would bring in tow with him is very powerful, and as the last months of the election arrive, will seriously erode any support Kerry might have. Quite a contrast to the excitement all of us here had during Bush's campaign when many of us were skeptical of him, but were ecstatic about those who would be helping him lead us during his presidency.
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posted on
02/25/2004 11:00:39 AM PST
by
AFPhys
(((PRAYING for: President Bush & advisors, troops & families, Americans)))
To: Miss Marple
You really know how to ruin my day don't you!
The mere thoughts of John F'onda Kerry as president and the gay 60's old goats back in the spot light is horrible!
John F'onda Kerry would probably make Jane Fonda Turner his Secretary of State.
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posted on
02/25/2004 11:01:37 AM PST
by
Grampa Dave
(John F'onda Kerry has been a Benedict Arnold and legislative terrorist since Nam!)
To: areafiftyone
But years later, after his election to the Senate, Kerrys medals turned up on the wall of his Capitol Hill office. When a reporter noticed them, Kerry admitted that the medals he had thrown that day were not his. He first won election to the Senate in 1984, so it was sometime after he was sworn in in early 1985 that the truth came out. He had let the world think for 24 years that he threw his own medals away in 1971.
To: Miss Marple
In 2002, Norm Liebmann had a great article about making the Fixtures in Politics go away. I have linked and pasted his great article below.
Norm skewers repubies as well as rats. However, personally, I have had more than my quota of the 1960's Fixtures which make up the Rat so called leadership.
For your enjoyment:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/702177/posts FIXTURES: MAKE THEM GO AWAY!
BSNN.NET ^ | 6-17-02 | NORM LIEBMANN
Posted on 06/18/2002 5:25:52 PM PDT by KLT
FixturesMake Them Go Away
By Norman Liebmann
BSNN.NET
This is as good a time as any to compile an If I Never Saw Them Again It Will Be Too Soon List. My intuition tells me Im not the only person who has one.
Some years back, the New York City Department of Sanitation went on strike. One of the ways people managed to get rid of their garbage was to gift wrap it and leave it in the back seat of their car. In NYC it was a sure thing someone would smash a window and steal it. No comparable way has been found to get rid of the politicos, journalists, academics, and the other public pests who presume on Americas patience. There is no gift wrapping this human bric-a-brac, these celebrated dust catchers. They have made themselves fixtures in the public consciousness, white elephants without portfolio. They are people who are drawn together by a common need to duck each other at cocktail parties.
Journalism, government and universities are garages full of junk personalities that no one ever gets around to cleaning out. The nation has become a landfill of gaudy notables whose only gift is to be conspicuous. The public arena has become a commode rattling its own handles to let us know they have gone too long un-flushed.
These people have become fixtures that create culture clog, a condition brought on by too many familiar faces in too many familiar places. They are grindingly tiresome and relentlessly unoriginal. They are carriers of chronic déjà vu. Most of this is due to the singular faculty of television that enables us to hate people weve never met, keeping them always at eye level and within earshot. They are a class of hangers on. Saloon proprietors call them regulars, and when they get too regular, they have the bartender pile the stools up on the bar and yell Last call! The question that comes to mind on meeting them is, Dont I want to not know you from someplace?
They are an epidemic of being present, and their omnipresence has given ubiquity a band name. They are permeating, pervading, pervasive, and universal. They are a public relations equivalent of genital herpes, and their intrusiveness reminds us of the old drinking song with the self-justifying lyric that chafes, Were here because were here because were here because were here ad nauseum. It is as though someone fastened them in place with a staple gun.
They are a plague of triviality, a video game that cant be turned off. They are guests who dont know when its time to go home. Throw their hats and coats on the front walk and they still dont take the hint. America needs a national bouncer.
Here is a list of people in that category and who are prime candidates for exile:
To find people who urgently require deportation, one need look no further than the U.S. Senate, that talking shop where politicians go to have great ideas escape them. Its most characteristic member is Richard Byrd, an outpatient from the West Virginia State Home for the Chronically Monotonous. It is his modus operandi to keep talking until he thinks of something to say. The ancient Egyptians who built Khufus pyramid came to the point faster than he does.
Who has not wearied of Joe Lieberman, the Conscience from Connecticut, whose demeanor has transmogrified from holier-than-thou to holier-than-anybody? Lieberman is confident he will become the first Jewish President, and to celebrate he has already reserved a table at his favorite night club, the Koshercabana.
John McCain, the chronically disaffected Senator from the land of disenchantment, is pissed off about everything that happens during any week with a Thursday in it. His inability to get Americas adulation has made him perpetually cranky. He reminds one of popular musical lament whose title rebukes, Just Because Youre Not in Love Dont Throw Shit at the Moon.
The last time I saw anything that looked like Jim Jeffords, it was hanging upside down in the window of a poultry shop. Then there is Patrick Leahy whose face is identical to its reflection in the fender of a car. Both represent Vermont, a state where a bad case of hemorrhoids can end your career.
The Democrats keep asking Trent Lott to surrender, but he keeps holding out for total capitulation. Hes like a quarterback who always wants to throw in the towel but cant get it away.
Consider that study in hideous bloat, Teddy Kennedy. Kennedy has proven himself ignorant of a basic rule safe driving that is, to turn the steering wheel when you see yourself coming to an ocean.
Massachusetts environmentalist, John Kerry, is vehemently against drilling for oil in Alaska. Kerry, who is married to the heiress to the Heinz Company, feels the government should fund a research program to invent an automobile that runs on ketchup.
Strobe Talbot started calling himself a consultant ever since he tired of hearing giggling when he referred to himself as an expert. He has re-emerged in a new unimproved mucosa consistency from the cavity in which he has been congealing. This officious coxcomb has been anointed the CEO of the Brookings Institution and is now the measure of just how much smarminess the Brookings Institute will brook.
Senator Biden periodically stops in at the Sears Automotive Center to have his hair plugs rotated. Biden carries a Zip-Loc bag full of dandruff in his attaché case as confirmation should anyone question whether his new hair is genuine.
We are painfully bored with Professor Cornel West and that pretentious nonsense he teaches called Black Studies. What are Black Studies, anyway? Ebonics? Intermediate Watermelon? Dribbling 101? (In my estimation Political Correctness is more menacing to America than Islamic Fundamentalism.)
Somehow Natures push broom accumulated Madeleine Albright into an unattractive heap of overripe femininity. She is the paradigm of an eccentric piano teacher, who her pupils at any indication of her approach, try to hide the Steinway under their bed.
Al Gore is currently teaching at Columbia University. In order to disassociate himself from the depravities of Bill Clinton, he is trying to convince his students that Fellatio was the name of a Roman emperor.
Tom Daschle looks like he was whittled by a mad German clockmaker.
Jesse Jackson: At this point in time big business executives no longer consider Jessie Jacksons repetitive demands for money blackmail but only junk mail. In return for a few hundred grand he will drop all charges of racial discrimination against a company and even squeegee the CEOs limousine windshield.
Robert Reich, Clinton Administration mascot, is running for Governor of Massachusetts. If elected, because of his diminutive proportions, he will probably be sworn in with his teeny tiny hand placed on a copy of TV Guide.
How much longer must this nation endure Janet Reno, the Paul Bunyan of lesbianism? Reno bears a remarkable resemblance to the sister of Osama bin Laden, aptly named Unsightly bin Laden.
Bob Doles defeat for the Presidency did not banish him from public view. Instead he emerged in the unseemly role as pitchman for Viagra, the pill for married men who have reached an age when they are too old to fantasize. I do not expect to live that long.
Al Sharpton has seemingly announced hes running for President. Martin Luther King had a dream. Al Sharpton has a hallucination.
Maxine Waters beauty consultant must be the same guy who drew up the plans for strip mining in the Mesabi.
Barbara Mikulksi is available if they need a door prize at Attica. Solitary confinement, where is thy sting?
Gary Condit has given the Democrats another chance to say "Its only about sex," an expression popularized by the Marquis De Sade, explained by Sigmund Freud, and made an object of derision by Bill Clinton.
Rosie ODonnell seems like Jerrold Nadler all wrapped up into one.
Helen Thomas may be the first person ever to require a cosmetic autopsy. She already looks like a first attempt by a student embalmer.
Judy Woodruff, also, has a kind of post mortem charm characteristic of the main focus at a very boring coroners inquest.
California Governor Gray Davis looks like he made a U Turn on the way to becoming an albino.
Susan Estrich has got to be a running joke among rapists. On her best day she looks like Quasimodos passport photo. She always sounds like she has a frog in her throat and lately she sounds like it brought along a friend.
It is hard to believe Missouri could produce a socialist hot air merchant like Richard Gephardt after having giving America Stan Musial.
Hillary Clinton, the Wellesley Medusa, can trip a burglar alarm with her smile. Its said, Hillary has recently had breast augmentation surgery. A Senator who got pushed up against her in a crowded elevator believes they gave her concrete implants.
Alan Dershowitz, in a burst of nostalgia for the Inquisition, is advocating the return of torture. His torment of choice is the thumbscrew which he thinks of as something Clinton forgot to try on Monica. After being forced to sit through one of his lectures, any student would have revealed the few nuclear secrets Clinton neglected to sell to the Chinese and offer to give any Gestapo agents still alive in Argentina the names of the leaders of the French underground.
This brings us to the ever-obtrusive Geraldo Rivera, current media trans-journalist and noted political cross-dresser. Now that the Democrats have self- proclaimed Hillary the smartest woman in the world, they also have Geraldo Rivera, the bravest man in the world although it is difficult to take seriously someone reporting on the carnage of war while sporting a Jerry Colonna moustache. The question arises, how is it Geraldo is so good at ducking bullets and so lousy at ducking chairs?
Inside every Colin Powell is a Warren Christopher trying to take a nap. Bush selected him as his expert on Middle East affairs because when Powell was in the army he thought Snafu was the name of an Egyptian Pharaoh. Powell is a chocolate soldier whose resolve melts at room temperature. He is a proponent of squandering Americas largesse on people that hate us. Left to his own devices, in Afghanistan he will give away more shit than Bob Barker. Presently he argues that the terrorists in Guantánamo should be granted the protected status of Prisoners of War. The fact that Powell advocates any position is sufficient argument to doubt its wisdom.
Monica Lewinsky, the Washington come and get it girl, was ambivalent about having sex with Bill Clinton. At moments of her greatest emotional conflict she was reported to have exclaimed, Take it out deeper.
Margaret Carlson exhibits a positive genius for having nothing to say - but saying it anyway. Seeing Carlson on television is like having a hair in your mouth and trying to back away from it.
We do not know how many millions of dollars Fox is paying Greta Van Susteren, but chances are it will cost more than that to get her teeth straightened.
After the interminable whining by that sallow yenta, Patricia Ireland, one deduces all sexual encounters are accidental and all aborted fetuses are collateral damage. If shes correct, sex is just another pile up on the Freeway or perhaps it may be just the way Ms. Ireland goes about it.
Increasingly more irksome than perksome, Katie Couric seems determined to convince her viewers that Andrea Yates murdered her five children in a fit of uncontrollable motherly love.
Khofi Annans ascent to the high office of Witch Doctor General of the United Nations should be credited to his tailor who convinced Annan he would look more civilized in pinstripes than he does in feathers.
What could Dennis Rodman and Chelsea Clinton possibly have to say to each other after, Who does your hair?
Tim Russert thinks his balanced fawning over both Democrats and Republicans makes him objective. One can admire objectivity and still distrust people like Russert who traffic in it. Accuse anyone in the media of being objective and hell be complimented. Accuse anyone outside the media of being objective and hell dare you to step out in the parking lot and say it to his face.
William Jefferson Clinton remains the ultimate intruder in America. He is the unchanging and complete heretic. There is no god to whom he cannot be false, no slattern with whom he cannot commit adultery, no nation to which he cannot be disloyal, no secret he cannot betray, no code to which he cannot be duplicitous, no discipline he cannot fail, no art he cannot debase, no standard he cannot compromise, no principle he cannot subvert, and no friend he cannot double cross. His idea of salvation is to be reincarnated as a tampon.
We finally know what made the good old days good. These people werent around. As it was said in vaudeville, its time to give em the hook- get them off the stage and out of the public arena. We need them to vanish. So, Mr. Stage Manager, cue the magic act and tell the magician to take all these rabbits and shove them up his hat.
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posted on
02/25/2004 11:16:23 AM PST
by
Grampa Dave
(John F'onda Kerry has been a Benedict Arnold and legislative terrorist since Nam!)
To: Miss Marple
Have you "sung a song for freedom"? Oh, spare me. I got a song for freedom for them... it's called "The Star Spangled Banner." Geez, groups like Peter, Paul and Mary (and songs like this) make me think maybe sometimes censorship has gotten a bum rap.
To: areafiftyone
What about his radical present?
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posted on
02/25/2004 11:27:53 AM PST
by
petercooper
(America - where your problems aren't your fault, they're someone else's.)
To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
Jimmy Carter pardoned one of the trio for his conviction on a sex charge ( kid). Peter Yarrow I believe. Kerry has him campaigning with him? What an idiot.
To: GraceCoolidge
"If I had a hammer...." I would pound on the head of these granola-crunching hippy weirdos who don't have a clue about how the world works!
To: Miss Marple; areafiftyone; Grampa Dave; Howlin; AFPhys
Peter Yarrow,I found through google,attended the recent Rosenberg anniversary gathering.He read Rosenberg's letters from prison to the crowd.
It was attended by the left wing like Harry Belafonte. Some are communists.The Rosenbergs were spies who gave our nuclear secrets to the USSR and were executed.
We are known by the company we keep.We cannot afford to have Kerry in the Oval Office.
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posted on
02/25/2004 1:26:36 PM PST
by
MEG33
(John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
To: Skywarner
Hey! wait a minute! you say Kerry was in Vietnam? I'll bet he was hero, Oh wait a minute, your kidding right? I'll check with CBS, they ought'er know.
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posted on
02/25/2004 2:01:52 PM PST
by
Eighth Square
(All the people, all of the time!)
To: Grampa Dave
"Did you see that the "Dream Candidate" for replacing Donald Rumsfeld is GARY HART?????" Please tell me you are kidding
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posted on
02/25/2004 3:03:12 PM PST
by
Mo1
(" Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?")
To: Mo1
bttt
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posted on
02/25/2004 3:29:53 PM PST
by
SeeRushToldU_So
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