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JOHN KERRY'S RADICAL PAST
Town Hall ^ | 2/25/04 | Joel Moebray

Posted on 02/25/2004 7:47:04 AM PST by areafiftyone

After the media tore into President Bush’s 30-year-old National Guard record like a voracious pit bull into a bacon-scented postman, Democrats have been licking their chops in anticipation of highlighting John Kerry’s decorated service during the same time period.

A new web site launching this week, however, should give Democrats more than a moment’s pause—and it’s likely just the opening salvo in exposing the truth about the outlandish actions of Kerry and his comrades as part of an anti-war group known as Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW).

The new site, WinterSoldier.com , is named after the event that helped raise Kerry to prominence in 1971. The Winter Soldier Investigation, as it was called, was held in Detroit from January 31 to February 2—with financial backing from Jane Fonda, according to an historian cited on the web site—where over 100 veterans testified about the most horrendous war crimes imaginable happening every day.

John Kerry was an instant celebrity, and the group behind the three-day conference, Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), certainly served his political ambitions well. But if the wealth of information found at WinterSoldier.com gains any traction, Kerry’s past could come back to haunt him.

VVAW was a media favorite: war veterans who were anti-war. Quite a sales pitch. But the more realistic characterization would have been Americans who were anti-American. (Literally, too: One of the documents at WinterSoldier.com is the minutes of a VVAW executive meeting where members decided to take down American flags from all VVAW offices.)

Their goal was not just to sour Americans on the Vietnam war, but to make them hate America and American soldiers.

Hence the Winter Soldier Investigation.

The three-day circus featured tales of the most sadistic forms of torture, including genital mutilation and gang rape, and wanton mass murder of innocent civilians. Kerry and the others claimed that almost unprecedented war crimes were not simply rampant, but committed as a matter of U.S. policy.

One of the most shocking quotes comes from Kerry himself, claiming that he had committed war crimes in Vietnam, then suggested he was merely following orders. Following orders, however, does not absolve someone of guilt for committing war crimes. Which begs the question: will Kerry be willing to discuss the details of the war crimes he claims to have committed?

Some will excuse VVAW’s actions and hyperbolic rhetoric as the work of people understandably disillusioned by an embittering war experience. But there is evidence suggesting that many of the atrocities routinely touted by VVAW were, well, made up.

An excerpt of historian Guenter Lewy’s book According to America posted on WinterSoldier.com discusses the results of a government investigation that attempted to corroborate the claims made at the VVAW event in Detroit. The investigators couldn’t.

According to Lewy, the VVAW had told its members not to cooperate with the government inquiry—a probe that was initiated by Sen. Mark Hatfield of Oregon in order to verify gruesome claims made at the VVAW-sponsored event. The historian also notes that government inspectors found veterans whose names had been used by people testifying in Detroit that were not actually there.

In other words, some of the “witnesses” in Detroit were impostors, tarnishing the names of real soldiers.

It appears that Kerry was also something of an impostor. During a massive rally in front of the U.S. Capitol, a number of veterans threw their medals over a high-wire fence. One was Kerry. Or at least so it appeared.

The section “Busted by the historians” contains an excerpt from Stolen Valor by B. G. Burkett, Glenna Whitley. The key quote: “But years later, after his election to the Senate, Kerry’s medals turned up on the wall of his Capitol Hill office. When a reporter noticed them, Kerry admitted that the medals he had thrown that day were not his.”

Since Kerry’s comrades seem so eager to judge President Bush’s character by whether or not he fulfilled a handful of National Guard obligations, the door may already have been opened to attacks on the Democratic front runner’s own conduct from those days.

Voters could have plenty of versions of Kerry from which to choose: the communist sympathizer who gleefully defamed America and millions of American soldiers, the war hero too cowardly to throw away his own medals, or the anti-war activist who was so eager to claim he had committed war crimes.


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KEYWORDS: 2004; joelmoebray; kerry; vvaw; wintersoldier
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1 posted on 02/25/2004 7:47:04 AM PST by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
Dubya wisely released all his NG records that were available.

If we had an unbiased media they would demand that Hanoi John release his. This is all going to turn around and bite him and the Rats Big Time.

Blessings, Bobo
2 posted on 02/25/2004 7:56:43 AM PST by bobo1
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To: areafiftyone; bobo1; Howlin; Dog; section9; hchutch; Poohbah; PJ-Comix; Grampa Dave; ...
JOHN KERRY MUST NEVER BE ELECTED OR WE WILL SEE THE ODIOUS PETER PAUL AND MARY AT THE INAUGURAL!!!!!

Folks, I just came home from errands and there were Peter, Paul, and Mary on Fox (Mary weighs about 300 pounds) and they were going on and on about how much they love John Kerry and he still plays guitar with them and how good a father he is and how warm he is and.....GAG! Then they sang a new song: "Have You Been to Jail for Justice?"

I cannot tell you how horrifying this was. If kerry is elected you KNOW these relics of the 60's will be at the inaugural, flashing the peace sign and giving the Black Power salute.

This is not to be borne. If you know anyone who is even THINKING of staying home or voting for this loser, please, PLEASE do what you can to change their minds. I lived through the 60's once and I do NOT want to do so again!!!!!

3 posted on 02/25/2004 8:04:30 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
ROFLMAO - Oh Nooooooo Peter Paul and Puff the magic dragon!!
4 posted on 02/25/2004 8:06:55 AM PST by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: areafiftyone
Kerry was in Viet Nam? No kidding? </sarcasm>
5 posted on 02/25/2004 8:08:31 AM PST by atomicpossum (Only Hillary Will Lick Bush in '04!)
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To: areafiftyone
Oh, the song was HORRIBLE!! Lists all these people like Ghadi and such and the refrain is "Have you been to jail for justice, then you're a friend of mine."

I bet those lyrics are somewhere. I am going to go find them. I wish someone else had seen it...it was truly awful!

6 posted on 02/25/2004 8:08:58 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: areafiftyone
An excerpt of historian Guenter Lewy’s book According to America posted on WinterSoldier.com discusses the results of a government investigation that attempted to corroborate the claims made at the VVAW event in Detroit. The investigators couldn’t.

Big problem, though. Lewy can't recall if he read the report or was briefed with a summary of its contents. Worse, last time I checked (yesterday), neither the government nor Lewy could find this report.

According to Lewy, the VVAW had told its members not to cooperate with the government inquiry—a probe that was initiated by Sen. Mark Hatfield of Oregon in order to verify gruesome claims made at the VVAW-sponsored event. The historian also notes that government inspectors found veterans whose names had been used by people testifying in Detroit that were not actually there.

Again, all of this comes from a report no one can find. Name the names of the imposters, who they impersonated, what they said in the WSI, and the proof of their fraud.

Until then, we have nothing so far on the WSI witnesses themselves.

We can cite proven frauds such as Al Hubbard and other members of the VVAW, but I've yet to see even one named WSI witness debunked.

It wouldn't surprise me to see the witnesses debunked, but it hasn't happened yet, as far as I know.

7 posted on 02/25/2004 8:09:31 AM PST by secretagent
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To: areafiftyone
Good site, well organized, but loads very slow.

It could get huge viewership soon, as word gets out.

Suggest acquiring a real stand alone site, they are cheap.

Nice work!

8 posted on 02/25/2004 8:11:03 AM PST by moodyskeptic (weekend warrior in the culture war)
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To: bobo1
Dubya wisely released all his NG records that were available. If we had an unbiased media they would demand that Hanoi John release his.

This reveals the reasons why the Dems raised a fuss over Bush's National Guard service when all these allegations were addressed four years ago. Now, if the Bush team goes after Kerry's anti-American activities in the early seventies, Terry McAuliff can claim that it's all about payback, in an attempt to discredit or downplay the truth - just as Starr's investigation was turned into a witch-hunt about private behavior when it was, all along, about perjury and obstruction of justice.

9 posted on 02/25/2004 8:11:10 AM PST by dirtboy (Howard, we hardly knew ye. Not that we're complaining, mind you...)
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To: areafiftyone
What You Don't Know about John Kerry
10 posted on 02/25/2004 8:12:23 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Miss Marple
Have You Been to Jail for Justice?
Anne Feeney
Now was it Cesar Chavez, maybe it was Dorothy Day
Some will say that Dr. King and Gandhi set them on their way
No matter who your mentors are
It's pretty plain to see
If you've been to jail for justice
You're in good company
Have you been to jail for justice?
I wanna shake your hand
For sittin' in and lyin' down
are ways to take a stand
Have you sung a song for freedom
or marched that picket line?
Have you been to jail for justice?
Oh you're a friend of mine!
You law abiding citizens
listen to my song
Laws were made by people
and people can be wrong
Once unions were against the law
but slavery was fine
Women were denied the vote
and children worked the mines
The more you study history
the less you can deny it
A rotten law stays on the books
til folks with guts defy it!
Have you been to jail for justice?
I wanna shake your hand
For sittin' in and lyin' down
are ways to take a stand
Have you sung a song for freedom
or marched that picket line?
Have you been to jail for justice?
Have you been to jail for justice?
Would you go to jail for justice?
Oh you're a friend of mine!
11 posted on 02/25/2004 8:15:47 AM PST by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: areafiftyone
HA! I knew I would find them! It is a song by someone named Anne Feeney.

Now was it Cesar Chavez, maybe it was Dorothy Day
Some will say that Dr. King and Gandhi set them on their way
No matter who your mentors are
It's pretty plain to see
If you've been to jail for justice
You're in good company

Have you been to jail for justice?
I wanna shake your hand
For sittin' in and lyin' down
are ways to take a stand
Have you sung a song for freedom
or marched that picket line?
Have you been to jail for justice?
Oh you're a friend of mine!

You law abiding citizens
listen to my song
Laws were made by people
and people can be wrong
Once unions were against the law
but slavery was fine
Women were denied the vote
and children worked the mines
The more you study history
the less you can deny it
A rotten law stays on the books
til folks with guts defy it!

Have you been to jail for justice?
I wanna shake your hand
For sittin' in and lyin' down
are ways to take a stand
Have you sung a song for freedom
or marched that picket line?
Have you been to jail for justice?
Have you been to jail for justice?
Would you go to jail for justice?
Oh you're a friend of mine!

Horrifying, isn't it?

12 posted on 02/25/2004 8:18:39 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: atomicpossum
Kerry was in Viet Nam? No kidding?

Absolutely. He is a decorated war hero! You aren't questioning his patriotism, ARE YOU?

13 posted on 02/25/2004 8:19:09 AM PST by paul51
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To: Miss Marple; veronica; Poohbah; mhking
Wow... this is interesting.

Makes me glad I prefer 80s music and movie soundtrack with the occasional gangsta rap CD thrown in.
14 posted on 02/25/2004 8:20:08 AM PST by hchutch ("I never get involved with my own life. It's too much trouble." - Michael Garibaldi)
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To: areafiftyone
Well, yours was faster, but I used spacing ant italics!!! LOL! Is that not the most awful thing to read? Implicit is the idea that Kerry was arrested so he is cool. UGH!
15 posted on 02/25/2004 8:20:17 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
All their songs were horrifying. I cannot stomach Peter Paul and Mary. They make me cringe!
16 posted on 02/25/2004 8:20:24 AM PST by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: hchutch
Oh, you have no idea!! Spread the word about Kerry's musical friends. I believe one of them was also arrested for child molestation, if I remember correctly. I think Peter Yarrow, but I may be wrong.
17 posted on 02/25/2004 8:21:36 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: paul51
Kerry was in Viet Nam? No kidding?

Absolutely. He is a decorated war hero! You aren't questioning his patriotism, ARE YOU?

Wow, he must be very pro-defense (though I couldn't ask him about it without opening up 'painful wounds').

18 posted on 02/25/2004 8:24:01 AM PST by atomicpossum (Only Hillary Will Lick Bush in '04!)
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To: Miss Marple
This 60's/70's stuff is sooo annoying. I hated that era and don't want to relive it either. I hate John Kerry for even bringing that era up!
19 posted on 02/25/2004 8:26:26 AM PST by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: Miss Marple

20 posted on 02/25/2004 8:29:36 AM PST by maggief
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