"Did the Jews Kill Jesus?"

http://www.gracepointfellowship.org/ ^ | Feb 13 2004 | Jerome Wernow

[Restorer]

The Scripture you quote is interesting for two irrelevant proclamations.

Pilate proclaims his innocence, which he cannot gain by proclaiming it.

The Jews present condemn themselves, which perhaps they can do, but by the Bible's own laws they cannot condemn their descendants.

And Jesus forgave both Pilate and the Jews involved in his death. I think his forgiveness has much greater authority than the blathering of either Pilate or the Jewish leaders. :)

[Focault's Pendulum]

No, Petronski killed him. I saw him.

Yeah...but before he did...he was taught how to format.

This post really hurt my eyes.

[Springman]

I learned a long time ago, Jesus
died for everyone.

[Dog Gone]

The Jews as a whole killed Jesus just like my forefathers had slaves. (minor detail: I've checked the genealogy and they were too stinkin' poor to own slaves).

Regardless, nobody is responsible for the sins of their ancestors. Where the Bible says that, it's just flat out wrong.

Blaming today's Jews for something that happened 2000 years ago is stupid beyond belief. Anyone who disagrees with that is free to pay reparations to decendentants of slaves with my blessing.

To make matters more absurd, Christians believe that Jesus came to earth to be executed in order to fulfill the Plan of Salvation. Blaming the people that fulfilled the plan that saved them is pretty bizarre. You'd think that thanks would be in order.

If the Jewish leadership had kept Jesus alive until old age had claimed him, then they'd have a gripe.

[StonyBurk]

Anyone who can read a translation of the Christian Bible
in their own native language can discern what that Rabbi
from Galilee said on this very subject. Those who Hated the
Jews for no reason before MelGibsons movie will Hate them
tomorrow.Those who have read and understand the Bible did
NOT claim the Jews killed Jesus -and do not believe it now.
I have have not yet seen the movie but I will.And as an
aside Jesus fulfilled prophecy for the tomb was empty
and HE's Alive. It does not require a Jew to reject Judaism
but may require them to lay aside the animus raised under
Roman occupation.

[NoControllingLegalAuthority]

The power of man to destroy the human body of Jesus was granted to man by God. If God had not permitted the death of His only Son, no man would ever have had the power to do it. Jesus said to them who condemned Him that they would have no power over His fate if His Father had not given it to them.

[af_vet_1981]

"Did the Jews Kill Jesus?"

No

[Bull Man]

This argument is such a mindless debate since the record of history is so clear:

He was charged with the crime of Blasphemy - a Jewish crime.
He was executed by crucifixion - a Roman punishment.

Politics makes for strange bedfellows, and here we have just such a situation. Leadership on BOTH sides benefited from eliminating a threat they perceived from him. Judea was a Roman province populated by Jews administered at the highest echelons by Romans. There is no one else to blame in the literal sense. Theologically, He died for all mankind. This sinner is thankful

[aruanan]

So you're blaming the gun? What if the Romans weren't there, but guns were. If SOME Jews used GUNS to kill Jesus, it's then the guns fault?

Whose blaming the gun? I'm drawing attention to the fact that if A gets hitman B to kill someone, A cannot maintain that he's innocent of murder by saying that it was the hitman who pulled the trigger.

[Cold Heat]

Did the Jews kill Jesus?

I think watching the movie will clear that up.

The answer is yes and no.

Yes, they were afraid of the out of control Rabbi, and they rid themselves of him for the sake of their own fears.

No, the Jews of today are not to be held responsible for those fears.

They have gotten used to us Christians by now.

[jeffc]

No one killed Jesus. It was all pre-ordained. The Lord sent Him to die for our sins. How He died was meant to show us the love He has for us.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

I am told that Mel Gibson's movie makes YOU feel culpable for his suffering and death.

That is exactly why there is such furor over it. There are far too many people who cannot or will not look within themselves and see the kind of person they truly are. The kind of person who would have cheered on the Crucifixion. The kind of person that Jesus gave his life to save from Satan.

They are the ones who hate this film and will rail against it while there is anyone out there to listen.

[LiteKeeper]

INTREP - THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST - Hit

[Kosh5]

Did the Jews kill Jesus?
Answer: Yes.

As others have so eloquently stated: Does that fact matter?
Answer: Not really since we all are equally guilty of sin. Jesus made it very clear that the matter of sin is a HEART issue - not a conduct issue. Since none of us has a pure heart, we stand tainted before a holy and righteous God. Only Jesus' sacrifice permits us to stand before God.

The question of "did the Jews kill Jesus" is a red herring question that is really irrelevant IMHO. It distracts from the REAL matter at hand - what is YOUR relationship with and to Jesus the Christ?

I find it interesting that the people who are raising the issue have nothing to do with the Christians who are excited, enthusiastic, and awed (after viewing) with The Passion. Perhaps I am the only one to have observed such things...

[Mike Darancette]

JESUS DIED FOR ALL MANKIND

[ellen_rometsch]

There aren't any irrelevant passages in the Bible.

[Restorer]

I believe you missed my point. I believe these two comments, with one person proclaiming his innocence of Christ's judicial murder and a group gleefully assuming responsibility for it, is in there for a reason.

Pilate could not make himself innocent by washing his hands. He was guilty of a horrific crime, and proclaiming one's innocence does not make it so.

The Jewish leaders and their (possibly hired) mob were equally guilty. But they could not, regardless of what they said, assign guilt to their descendants. Notice that the Bible, and Jesus, nowhere imply that the Jewish leaders' assumption of this guilt for their offspring had any validity.

Jesus forgave both his Roman and Jewish murderers before he died, and asked his Father to do the same.

What the Bible says is never irrelevant. What Pilate and the Jewish leaders said was the ultimate in irrelevance.

[FormerACLUmember]

Maybe I am a little hazy here, but I could have sworn that Joshua ("Jesus" is Aramaic for Joshua) was a Jew. All of his friends, everyone he really ever knew were Jews. He was executed by Roman military occupation forces, not his fellow Jews.

In the movie Passion, Mel Gibson appears in an uncredited, critical role. The close-ups of the hands of the executioner driving nails into Christ's hands and feet are director Gibson's own hands! This was done to symbolize that each of us personally are responsible for Christ's death.

[CindyDawg]

I'm not sure what you are saying to me. The Jews called for his execution and the Romans carried it out but Jesus chose to die for all of our sins so we are all responsible.

[sobieski]

WEll, Mel's responsible for his father's ideas