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Bush critics worry their protests will be shielded (free speech zones not good enough)
News & Observer ^ | 2/24/04

Posted on 02/24/2004 4:05:04 PM PST by Libloather

Bush critics worry their protests will be shielded
Tuesday, February 24, 2004 8:25AM EST
The Associated Press

CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) - Activists planning to protest President Bush's fund-raising visit on Thursday to Charlotte are concerned that they won't be allowed near him.

Around the country, protesters say they've found themselves put in "free speech zones" at Bush appearances, out of sight of the president and the reporters covering him.

The American Civil Liberties Union has sued to stop the practice.

"If you're in a sea of people carrying signs that say, 'Yes,' you should be able to have a sign that says, 'No,'" said Seth Jaffe, managing attorney of the ACLU of North Carolina.

Police have told protesters they'll be allowed across the street from Bush's $2,000-a-plate fund-raiser at the Charlotte Convention Center on Thursday. Capt. Terry Sult said Charlotte-Mecklenburg police take the First Amendment seriously.

"Our goal is very clear," Sult said, "to let the protesters get their message out but also protect the rights of others."

Demonstrators say they are concerned that will change once the Secret Service gets involved, although the agency says it leaves decisions about managing protesters up to local police.

"I don't know that President Bush will ever catch a glimpse of us, but hopefully the people attending will," said Joan Thieda, a Democratic activist organizing the protest. "Otherwise, the public doesn't know that anybody disagrees with the president."

Charlotte City Council delayed Monday a decision on a proposed ordinance that requires activists to apply for a permit before a demonstration and to provide at least four days' notice of a protest with more than 25 people.

The ACLU has sued to stop the zones, which led to the conviction last month of a South Carolina activist who refused to take his protest sign half a mile from a Bush visit in Columbia. He's appealing the decision.

"I think 9-11 has been used to frighten people and to bolster the claims of a greater need for security," said Lewis Pitts, an attorney representing S.C. activist Brett Bursey on federal charges.

The ACLU filed a federal lawsuit in September, citing 13 instances in which anti-Bush protesters were arrested or forced into remote "free speech zones." Bush backers or the general public closer to the president went unchallenged.

Bursey was found guilty last month after being arrested in October 2002 with a "No Blood for Oil" sign. Bursey refused a Secret Service agent's order to move to a zone half a mile from the airport where the president was speaking. The Secret Service said he was too close to Bush's motorcade.

The judge fined Bursey $500, far below the maximum penalty of 30 days in jail and a $5,000 fine. Bursey is appealing to district court in Columbia.

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Information from: The Charlotte Observer,
http://www.charlotteobserver.com


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: bush; charlotte; critics; enough; free; freespeech; good; protests; rats; rncconvention; shielded; speech; their; usss; worry; zones
Yeahbut - the RATS are doing the very same thing in Boston -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1082481/posts

Activists Challenge Democrats' Plan to Restrict Protests at Convention
NewsMax.com Wires
Friday, Feb. 20, 2004

BOSTON – Attorneys are challenging a preliminary security plan for this summer's Democratic National Convention that would limit protesters to a small patch of land virtually out of sight of the convention hall. The plan would restrict protests to a triangle-shaped site near FleetCenter, which attorneys fear could be obscured from view by buses and television satellite trucks, making demonstrations useless.

1 posted on 02/24/2004 4:05:06 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather
Didn't notice the ACLU complain when Clinton was so shielded.
2 posted on 02/24/2004 4:07:50 PM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Libloather
" Joan Thieda, a Democratic activist organizing the protest."

Well Joanie, we disagree with your Party's choice for president too!

3 posted on 02/24/2004 4:08:14 PM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy! I'm happier than a pig in excrement. Can't you just tell?)
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To: Libloather
"Otherwise, the public doesn't know that anybody disagrees with the president."

B*LLSH*T ALERT!!!!!

All the papers have been carrying the last few weeks is, "Bush lied about Iraq," "Bush lied about this," "Bush lied about that," "Bush is a deserter," "Bush kisses corporations' *ss*s"...

4 posted on 02/24/2004 4:09:15 PM PST by MegaSilver (Coulter/Harris 2008)
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To: sauropod
Sounds like a Freepers should go along and protest their protest! ;-)
5 posted on 02/24/2004 4:10:26 PM PST by Happygal (Le gách dea ghuí)
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To: Semper Paratus
right, nor do they complain about limited speech on campus vis-à-vis "free speech zones"
6 posted on 02/24/2004 4:12:34 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Libloather
"I think 9-11 has been used to frighten people and to bolster the claims of a greater need for security," said Lewis Pitts, an attorney representing S.C. activist Brett Bursey on federal charges.

This man is a fool.

7 posted on 02/24/2004 4:12:44 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: Happygal
Gonna git Her Heinous tomorrow...
8 posted on 02/24/2004 4:13:10 PM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy! I'm happier than a pig in excrement. Can't you just tell?)
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To: Libloather
There's only one 'free speech zone' in America, and it's America.
9 posted on 02/24/2004 4:13:46 PM PST by Grut
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To: sauropod
Gonna git Her Heinous tomorrow...

Make sure you hit her Heinous in the heiny! ;-)

10 posted on 02/24/2004 4:14:38 PM PST by Happygal (Le gách dea ghuí)
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To: Happygal

;-)

Ain't nuthin' a big booming voice can't do...

11 posted on 02/24/2004 4:16:08 PM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy! I'm happier than a pig in excrement. Can't you just tell?)
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To: sauropod
*L*! Now you've got ME scared! *L*
12 posted on 02/24/2004 4:22:02 PM PST by Happygal (Le gách dea ghuí)
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To: Happygal
AND THE MONEY JUST KEEPS ROLLING IN.
13 posted on 02/24/2004 4:46:29 PM PST by jocko12
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To: Happygal
Ain't nothing to be skeered of a self-actualized Male! LOL!
14 posted on 02/24/2004 5:59:36 PM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy! I'm happier than a pig in excrement. Can't you just tell?)
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To: Semper Paratus
I was in an anti-Gore/Lieberman crowd at one of their rallies in 2000 at La Crosse, Wisconsin. The security people moved us from outside a fence where the candidates spoke to across the street and very much out of the way. However our little pro-Bush crowd did not try to disrupt the Dem lie-fest.

Incidentally those who consider Bush to be a poor public speaker should have heard Gore rant. He gave one of the worst halting, stumbling campaign spiels I've ever heard. I heard Bush speak later in the year, and although he did mix up a few lines ("give dreams to wings"...we all inwardly groaned after that one), he managed to get through his standard campaign stump speech with an effective message.

15 posted on 02/25/2004 2:26:19 AM PST by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: MegaSilver
The big paper in my area, The La Crosse (Wisconsin) Tribune, has headlined a number of outrageously irresponsible statements in recent editions of their smelly rag. Last week they had a frontpage story inferring that Bush eased some restrictions on a few smokestack industries after they gave him a large campaign contribution. A few days ago they ran that scurrilous story about "MOUNTING NATIONWIDE ANGER AT BUSH" as a huge headline. I don't subscribe to the rag, and I hope many conservatives in the area cancelled their subscriptions. Bush will get no help from the Democrat water-carriers in Big Media and their toadies in the local presses.
16 posted on 02/25/2004 2:34:18 AM PST by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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