Posted on 02/23/2004 8:55:51 AM PST by blam
Yup, Victor Mair recruited Barber and her husband to go to China with him and do the 'textile' work. She said that the fabrics (textiles) were just like those at the Celtic site at Halstadt, Austria...same materials, same mfg technique, same weave and same pattern style. Some of the patterns are still in use in Scotland today.
Urumchi and Haldstadt are 4,000 miles and 1,000 years apart. Those two books are amazing. I've read each three times and still haven't absorbed all the info.
It was 1628BC...The same time as the Bibical Exodus.
Professor Mike Baillie (dendrochronologist) does an excellent job of dating that eruption by used tree-rings worldwide in his excellent book, Exodus To Arthur
I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels that way after reading all this stuff--sometimes it makes my head spin trying to absorb it all! :) Yeah, that does sound pretty amazing if they've got evidence of Halstadt-type textiles in ancient China. Do you remember offhand from reading the book, was there any iron technology found with that or was it just copper/bronze? I have a working theory that C.J. Thomsen's assumption of a single linear bronze/iron transition has put somewhat of a straitjacket on historical models of ancient technological development, so I'd be curious if Barber's find sheds any light on that, given Halstadt's significance in the bronze/iron transition in Europe.
Professor Mike Baillie (dendrochronologist) does an excellent job of dating that eruption by used tree-rings worldwide in his excellent book, Exodus To Arthur
Thanks! I will add that to my reading list. One reason I got into this whole area was because I was following the controversy over the date of the Exodus generated by the work of John Bimson--for those seeking more information on this, good summary about halfway down the page here:
Evidence for the Early Date of the Exodus
Also see:
The Date of the Exodus: Introduction to the Competing Theories
This was covered in Mair's (large )book. It covers the bronze age right into the present age.
I have managed to connect the Hakka Chinese (who migrated all the way across China) to the Xiongnu group. The early (Caucasian) Xiongnu, Saka, Yuezhi and other groups were related to the same group as the 'red-headed mummy.' People today do not even realize how many Caucasian people were once in China. There are many poems in Chinese lamenting the green eyes of the Han Dynasty emperors.
Thanks, good stuff! As I started reading this it made me start thinking about possible relationships to the Japanese and the Huns, who I notice are covered further down the page. Will take me a while to absorb this. . .Also gets me thinking about the fact that Caucasian characterstics are found among certain American Indian tribes. What I'd really like to see is all this stuff we're discussing laid out in historical atlas form so a cross-cultural analysis over time can be done to identify patterns of migration and cultural exchange.
No way! That's even faster than the Star Destroyers!
Interesting! What are their origins believed to be?
There's a recent discussion of that theory here:
Peter S. Wells, Beyond Celts, Germans, and Scythians: Archaeology and Identity in Iron Age Europe
Also see:
Helen Litton, The Celts: An Illustrated History
From what I've read so far--and I'm still working through the literature on this--it seems like the precise way to define the relationship between the Scythians, Germans, and Celts is an unresolved issue, though they do seem to be closely related in some way.
Was the picture you posted in your other post an example of an Indian Rajput warrior?
Bingo! An inexcusable error of some sort. Intriguing tale, but lousy scholarship by the writer.
His opinion (as I interpret it--hard to get information out of him sometimes, he likes to sound mysterious so he's inclined to avoid answering questions directly and speak in koans instead, LOL!) was that it could be Yoga but it's inconclusive without more evidence about the distribution of that type of sitting posture and the meaning of the hand gestures. IMO there might be a stronger case if some of the other Olmec statues showing this type of seated figure display other hand postures that appear stylistic in a way similar to Yoga.
Sometimes spelled Hsiong-nu. Often associated with the Huns of European history. (The evidence allows but does not command the conclusion.)
Well, if they got as far as San Francisco, they'ed have been able to go a lot further than they could have in Africa.
(Not that there's anything wrong that, ya know....)
Yup, the Xiongnu are often called the white Huns. The Xiongnu intermarried with the Han and the later Hakka were a mixing of the two groups. During the centuries old Hakka migration to southern China, the Hakka with Caucasian features were slaughtered.
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