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Hispanic vote anxieties
The Washington Times ^ | 02/23/04 | Donald Lambro

Posted on 02/23/2004 8:02:46 AM PST by nypokerface

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:13:29 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The Democrats worry President Bush could cut deeply enough into the large Hispanic vote to guarantee his re-election. So much so that, earlier this month, party strategists voiced such concerns behind closed doors at a congressional retreat in the Virginia mountains.


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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; aliens; gwb2004; hispanics; hispanicvote; lambro; swingvote
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To: rrrod
bush will get a huge hispanic vote!

Especially if the DemocRATS keep supporting "gay marriage". Mexican-American Hispanics may tend to vote DemocRAT, but they aren't Barney Frank DemocRATS.

21 posted on 02/23/2004 9:23:24 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: nypokerface; Cicero
Mr. Bush and his brother, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, are popular with Hispanics and the Republican ads will feature both of them as well as other Bush family members.

George P. Bush (the Hispanic nephew, Jeb's son, who is particularly popular with Hispanics and women), and maybe even Jeb's wife Columba, though she's not all that jazzed about politics.

22 posted on 02/23/2004 9:30:57 AM PST by JohnnyZ (People don't just bump into each other and have sex. This isn't Cinemax! -- Jerry)
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George P.


23 posted on 02/23/2004 9:35:16 AM PST by JohnnyZ (People don't just bump into each other and have sex. This isn't Cinemax! -- Jerry)
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To: darth
Maybe I need to write a book on how to prevent vote fraud; I don't think one exists.

That's a great idea.

24 posted on 02/23/2004 10:07:30 AM PST by Califelephant
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To: nypokerface
Mr. Bush managed to attract 35 percent of the Hispanic vote in 2000, while Al Gore drew 62 percent

A landslide starts at 55%. Does anyone believe that the Republicans will ever capture this voting bloc? Even if Bush manages to plugs the dike this time the long term effects are clear. Yet they continue to support immigration policies that mean their eventual extermination as a political party. Why? How does democracy really work in the age of television?

The percentage of Hispanic voters in the United States who were foreign-born and spoke mostly Spanish was about 18 percent in 1988. Today, that percentage has exploded to 51 percent.

If you don't get the results you want, and you have power, just import enough votes until you get those results. And the beauty part is the resulting dictatorship can still be called democracy. The people will blame themselves for their own destruction and servitude.

25 posted on 02/23/2004 10:45:21 AM PST by jordan8
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To: ClintonBeGone
CHEAP SHOT!
>>That's really unnecessary and insulting to every latino that was born and raised here in the US. I'd gladly trade a gringo with a poor attitude for 3 immigrants that actually love this country.>>

Nice cheap shot, taking words out of context. Do you work for Dan Rather?

What I wrote:
it is at the expense of Americans (including 2nd, 3rd, and higher generation Hispanics)

So don't give me no nonsense about attacking American-born citizens. And no, I have nothing against immigrants, either. It's an illegal invasion force paid by a foreign power (Herr Fox) to invade that I have a problem with.
26 posted on 02/23/2004 11:13:25 AM PST by dangus
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To: hchutch
FYI. Looks like the Dems are worrying some more...

As well they should.

27 posted on 02/23/2004 11:52:40 AM PST by PRND21
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To: nypokerface
Forget the South
by Ryan Lizza
excerpts from 12/14/03
New York Times
When one of the Senate's most racially polarizing figures, Mississippi Republican Trent Lott, wins comfortably in the state with the nation's largest African American population, relying on Southern black votes to win statewide races or electoral votes is, like second marriages, the triumph of hope over experience... And population growth gives the Southwest four more electoral votes in 2004 than in 2000. One key to a Democratic Southwest is the growing influence of Latinos, who in 2002 became the nation's largest ethnic minority. Two surveys conducted last summer, one by pollster Sergio Bendixen and another by CBS News/New York Times, indicate that the GOP is losing ground with the ethnic group that Karl Rove believes is critical to a Republican realignment. And there's more to the story than ethnicity. As electoral scholars John Judis and Ruy Teixeira show, these Southwestern states feature the progressive-centrist "ideopolis" cities of Tucson, Denver, Las Vegas and Santa Fe.

28 posted on 02/23/2004 12:06:10 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("90 per cent of life is just showing up." -- Woody Allen)
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To: jordan8
they continue to support immigration policies that mean their eventual extermination as a political party
That's assuming that Latinos will only vote for the so-called Democrats, which is like saying that people of African descent will only vote for them.

GWB began his reelection campaign in 2001 when he met with Fox in Mexico. His predecessors had generally met with the leader of Canada.

The immigration proposal did several things.

Number one, it drew the line in the SWern sand, which his opponents (all of them) promptly stepped over, thus defining their position, and "outing" them among their supposed constituents in the rust belt. This strengthened Bush among those in labor who would disproportionately vote for Bush, and weakened potential turnout among those who wouldn't.

Number two, it strengthened Bush in the SW, but particularly in California, and even in Texas and Florida which he will win with little effort.
29 posted on 02/23/2004 12:15:45 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I thought a landslide begins at 60? Bush will win by at least 10 per cent.)
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To: jordan8
Does anyone believe that the Republicans will ever capture this voting bloc?

Yes. Considering the successes Republicans have had in places where we've been as aggressive in wooing Hispanics as we have in wooing whites, it's not much of a stretch to think that we could be winning the Hispanic vote nationally soon -- as long as we don't pander to the xenophobes.

30 posted on 02/23/2004 12:42:49 PM PST by JohnnyZ (People don't just bump into each other and have sex. This isn't Cinemax! -- Jerry)
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To: JohnGalt
This article smells fishy. It sounds like pure Republican spin to convince the party's base that the Amnesty Bill is helping the party with hispanics.

How can it help with Hispanics when polls show half of them oppose it? Those Hispanics with voting rights *DO NOT* vote on the basis of who's willing to overlook employer scofflaws who hire illegals.

This is indeed spin by private special interests to convince the lumbering, vain, political correctness-addled GOP hierarchy that the party is making inroads in the "Hispanic vote" at the expense of the Democrats. The Bush Administration has done nothing with this amnesty proposal but alienate his voting base---come November, he'll find out there's no one with Hispanic surnames that's replacing those disaffected supporters.

31 posted on 02/23/2004 2:05:09 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: nypokerface; All
Spanish language radio and television are COMPLETELY sold out to the left and anmesty is the only solution they will accept until the borders can be opened completely.
If what these people say on radio and T.V. were broadcast in english by caucasians the FCC would pull their license.

True, spanish speakers are not monolithic in their voting and many may vote Republican but many more will not.

This is because most all are not here to assimilate but for economic self interest devoid of any allegiance to this country.

This is not a slur. These are just must my observations from listening to spanish language radio and television.

32 posted on 02/23/2004 3:18:40 PM PST by AreaMan
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To: ClintonBeGone; All
I'd gladly trade a gringo with a poor attitude for 3 immigrants that actually love this country."

A-freaking-MEN.

I would absolutely, without even thinking twice, deport every single lazy, good for nothing, AFL-CIO loving, union bum I have ever met in the Northeast before I would deport a single one of the illegal aliens I've seen busting their arses with a damn grateful smile on their face all day as I have seen thousands of time in Texas. Texas is 1 million times greater than the Northeastern states because it's laboring class are those "illegals" as opposed to the so-called "American" union bums that are the main "workers" (ha!) here in the Northeast.

33 posted on 02/23/2004 3:23:16 PM PST by Texas_Dawg (A vote for the Constitution Party is a vote for Paul Krugman and Al Qaeda.)
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To: Texas_Dawg
Bump
34 posted on 02/23/2004 3:24:58 PM PST by PRND21
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To: Texas_Dawg
Texas is 1 million times greater than the Northeastern states because it's laboring class are those "illegals" as opposed to the so-called "American" union bums that are the main "workers" (ha!) here in the Northeast.

You got that right bro. Union workers and their brothers and sisters who support them will be the death of this country. And to top it off, Texas is one of the most conservative states in the union. Take that all you latino haters!

35 posted on 02/23/2004 6:49:50 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (John Kerry is the Democrat's Bob Dole)
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To: dangus
Sorry if the truth hurts.
36 posted on 02/23/2004 6:50:20 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (John Kerry is the Democrat's Bob Dole)
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To: nypokerface
Their vote made up about 6 percent of the electorate in the 2000 election, but this year it will be about 9 percent.

And not a one of them is eligible to vote legally.
37 posted on 02/23/2004 6:55:28 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
And not a one of them is eligible to vote legally.

What a GD lie. If it wasn't for the cubans in Florida Al Gore would be your President - something I think, deep down, you wouldn't mind.

38 posted on 02/23/2004 8:07:28 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (John Kerry is the Democrat's Bob Dole)
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To: ClintonBeGone
Sure I would mind it, but tell me how the hispanic vote jumps from 6% to 9% in three years?
39 posted on 02/23/2004 8:30:38 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
Sure I would mind it, but tell me how the hispanic vote jumps from 6% to 9% in three years?

Two things are at work:

  1. Naturalization. Lots of Hispanics who have been here for a while are eligible for their citizenship, and both parties will be trying to help them do it.
  2. Fecundity. Spanish-speaking immigrant Americans have lots of kids, generally. If the kids are born here, they are instant citizens, same way I was. If the parents are naturalized, underage kids are made citizens at the same time, which is called "derived citizenship." In the four years since last cycle, a lot of kids named Mendoza and Ortiz have turned 18 and they'll be voting for the first time.

The young, more Americanized Hispanics, like immigrants before them, are much more open to Bush and Republicans than the poverty pimps that put themselves forward as "Chicano Leaders." There are certain stereotypes about Latinos that I find contain a grain of truth: (1) They love strong men and fiery women; (2) they are big on family; (3) They take pride in themselves and things they identify with, and they tend to be extremely loyal. So it would be folly not to reach out to them.

That said, I think the amnesty plan was and is a political turkey. After looking it over I believe that Mr Bush knows it's a turkey and understands it may make a one-termer of him, but sees it as The Right Thing To Do and The Best Imperfect Answer To A Hard Question. We can't just round up illegals and throw them in camps; for one thing, there's too damn many of them. Some FReepers talk that smack, but no American President could do it. Look at the flak he is taking for keeping some of the most noxious evildoers on Earth on ice in Gitmo. (Expect a new storm of hand-wringing about Haitians).

The underlying problem is that Mexico, which could be just as great a place to live and work as Texas or California, is going to continue to be screwed up as long as a small oligarchy ("paging Señor Fox...") can rip off the nation ("...the statements from your Swiss numbered accounts are in, Señor...") and keep it backward ("...and the campesinos have no tortillas"). The US will be the safety valve for unemployed Mexicans until Mexico reforms (read, "Hell freezes over").

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

40 posted on 02/23/2004 9:29:34 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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