"George Bush,John Kerry,Vietnam, a "Band-of-Brothers" and.........Cornbread?????"

2/21/04 | redrock

[redrock]

THANK YOU for all that you do.

Gary Owen!!

redrock

[I_saw_the_light]

cornbread bump

[redrock]

Thanks!!

me

p.s. See ya again this summer. Around the 4th of July....(kinda like that date to visit...for some reason...)

[mabelkitty]

Awesome!
Hiram and Cornbread bump!

[blackie]

We'll be here ~ I remember the 4th of 2000 ~ good times!

[Alamo-Girl]

Bump!

[Defender2]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1079247/posts

Good info on this thread! D2

[onyx]

Applause, and my thanks.

[Reb Raider]

Redrock, your story was so much more personal and genuine than anything I have heard Kerry say.

As a female never in the military, I always thought a Purple Heart was for extreme bravery or serious injury in battle. Can other vets explain to me how he received 3 Purple Hearts with a grand total of 2 days in the hospital? Did everyone with similar wounds get a Purple Heart during that time because of the politics of the war? Does anyone doubt if Kerry had any wounds he could show that he would wear clothing to showcase those wounds and Max Cleland could stay home some days?

I do have a personal question for you and I understand if you aren't comfortable answering on a public forum.
Plain or sweet? I'm a sweet, hubby's a plain. I make a mean batch of mini sweet corn muffins and would send you my super secret receipe if you like that kind. It does make a mess using several bowls, but they melt in your mouth. :)

[Radix]

Thank you for sharing your story.

I never saw combat myself, but during the years that I was away from home in the military, my favorite people were the ones who were there every day to put the mail into my mail box.

No day ever went by when I was not appreciative of what they provided for me. I suppose that I could mention a lot of people who performed important jobs now that you have me thinking about it.

Thank you for your service!

[Mare]

Reb, I don't know about redrock, but I sure would like your recipe. Don't care about the mess, I have a dishwasher.
hehe.

This is a sneaky BUMP!!!

[Diva Betsy Ross]

Thanks for the ping Linda- This is a great read redrock. Thank you for sharing it.

Upon reading it, it brings a thought to mind. IF the Democrats are now the party of patriots, how do they explain their lust for Bill Clinton, the flag burning , draft dodging President?

Not that it matters now, but I wish the Democrats would make up their minds:

Isn't this their great Leader?

Bill Clinton registers for the draft on September 8, 1964, accepting all contractual conditions of registering for the draft. Given Selective Service Number 3 26 46 228.

Bill Clinton classified 2-S on November 17, 1964
Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on March 20, 1968
Bill Clinton ordered to report for induction on July 28, 1969
Bill Clinton dishonors order to report and is not inducted into the military Bill Clinton reclassified 1-D after enlisting in the United States Army Reserves on August 07,1969 under authority of Colonel E. Holmes.

Clinton signs enlistment papers and takes oath of enlistment
Bill Clinton fails to report to his duty station at the University of Arkansas ROTC, September 1969 Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on October 30, 1969, as enlistment with Army Reserves is revoked by Colonel E. Holmes and Clinton now AWOL and subject to arrest under Public Law 90-40 (2)(a) "registrant who has failed to report...remain liable for induction"
Bill Clinton's birth date lottery number is 311, drawn December 1, 1969, but anyone who has already been ordered to report for induction, is INELIGIBLE!
Bill Clinton runs for Congress (1974), while a fugitive from justice under Public Law 90-40 Bill Clinton runs for Arkansas Attorney General (1976), while a fugitive from justice

Source:HERE

[AuntB]

blackie just sent this one out, wanted to make sure you saw it:

Mudslinging Democrats now cry foul

02/22/04 Charles Krauthammer

As the Democrats enter the final stages of their primary race, the emerging story is how the Republicans are preparing to go negative in the general election with a campaign of singular viciousness against John Kerry.

Kerry's spokespeople have already sounded the alarm, warning darkly that "the right-wing smear machine" is gearing up, and declaring amusingly that "it's time for George W. Bush to call off his right-wing slime machine."

When exactly was it called on? Republicans turning ugly? You're an average citizen following the election campaign so far. What have you gleaned from the wall-to-wall cable news coverage of the candidates' debates, rallies and victory/concession speeches?

First, that President Bush has "deceived" (Al Sharpton), "misled" (John Kerry, Howard Dean), indeed, outright "lied" (Kucinich) us into a pointless and ruinous war that, as Kerry's chief campaign surrogate, Edward Kennedy, thunders, was "made up in Texas" for pure political advantage. Hence, Bush's hands are dripping with the blood of 500 brave soldiers who died for a lying president seeking better poll numbers.

Second, that his own personal military service was dishonorable: AWOL from the Air National Guard, declares Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe; perhaps even a "deserter," the charge that Wesley Clark repeatedly refused to repudiate.

Further, as John Edwards tells it at every campaign stop, there are little girls from the "other America" crying into the night because their dads, now with the blank stare of hopelessness on their faces, have lost their jobs.

And that's while Bush was at the same time despoiling the water, polluting the air and, by God, trying to kill the Arctic caribou to please his parasitic oil industry pals and to fatten up Halliburton.

Vote him out? Given all that, shouldn't the man be drawn and quartered? Rarely has there been a political assault more concentrated, more unrelenting, more unrebutted -- all occurring not as political advertising but on free media as campaign "coverage." Part of this is serendipity. After Dean and Gephardt destroyed each other with mutually negative ads in Iowa, the other candidates became terrified of saying anything even mildly negative about their opponents. They directed all of their fire not inside the corral, as is usual in a primary battle, but outside -- at the president.

Part of this, too, is the candidates' exploitation of media conventions. The cable channels all covered the Tuesday night victory/concession speeches, which the candidates invariably turned into opportunities to deliver their stump speeches to a national cable audience.

And now, after six weeks of carpet-bombing Bush, the Democrats are shocked -- shocked! -- that the Republicans might answer back with "negativity." What, in fact, have the Republicans mustered? A single Internet ad about Kerry, the Senate's king of special interest money, denouncing special interests. And one speech by the Republican National Committee chairman on Kerry's conventional liberal (i.e. budget-cutting) positions on defense and intelligence.

The Republicans have yet to go after Kerry on his most critical vulnerability, his breathtaking penchant for reversing course for political convenience:

Votes against the Gulf War, which he now says he favored.

Votes for the Iraq war, which he now says he opposed.

Votes against the $87 billion for troop support and Iraqi reconstruction, while saying that he favors troop support and Iraqi reconstruction.

Votes for No Child Left Behind, which he now attacks incessantly.

Votes for Nafta; now rails against the unfairness of free trade.

Which is why Kerry prefers to pre-empt any examination of his record by warning in advance of a coming Republican "smear campaign."

It would be a clever attempt at political insulation were it not so transparent. Instead, coming after weeks of unrelenting anti-Bush calumny, it is an impressive display of chutzpah. Kerry may or may not win the presidency, but he has already won the 2004 Capt. Renault award.

2004, Washington Post Writers Group Charles Krauthammer: letters@charleskrauthammer.com Copyright 2004 Oregon Live. All Rights Reserved.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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"JOHN KERRY is not qualified to be President of the United States"..


...stated ALOHA RONNIE on C-SPAN's 'Washington Journal' ..January 2004

...stated HUGH HEWTTT on 'The HUGH HEWITT Talk Radio Show' ..February 2004

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[archy]

Ok...it's kinda personal...and it's a little choppy.

I hope you don't mind.

Not Hardly. Not hardly, brother.

Willie and Joe's Infantry ping list PING!

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[archy]

Stryker SBCT list ping. Yep, then Stryker crewdawgs in the wheelies eat cornbread too....

[Smartass]

Redrock:

The subject is really simple. We know Bush will defend America. We also know, Kerry has and would sell Amerika. Kerry has a poor post Viet Nam record. If you don't believe me ... ask "Hanoi Jane."

[Smartass]

Redrock:

The subject is really simple. We know Bush will defend America. We also know, Kerry has and would sell Amerika. Kerry has a poor post Viet Nam record. If you don't believe me ... ask "Hanoi Jane."

[Smartass]

Redrock:

The subject is really simple. We know Bush will defend America. We also know, Kerry has and would sell Amerika. Kerry has a poor post Viet Nam record. If you don't believe me ... ask "Hanoi Jane."

[archy]

As a female never in the military, I always thought a Purple Heart was for extreme bravery or serious injury in battle. Can other vets explain to me how he received 3 Purple Hearts with a grand total of 2 days in the hospital? Did everyone with similar wounds get a Purple Heart during that time because of the politics of the war? Does anyone doubt if Kerry had any wounds he could show that he would wear clothing to showcase those wounds and Max Cleland could stay home some days?

The following is lengthy, but I think in this instance, necessarily so to be detailed and accurate, in accordance with your request.

As for your observations about visible wounds or scars resulting from Kerry's service, you ever seen the video for Toby Keith's country-western tune *I love this bar?* If not, I'll not spoil it for you, but it has a moment that's germaine to the discussion.

As for Max Cleland:

(c) Individuals injured as a result of their own negligence; for example, driving or walking through an unauthorized area known to have been mined or placed off limits or searching for or picking up unexploded munitions as war souvenirs, will not be awarded the Purple Heart as they clearly were not injured as a result of enemy action, but rather by their own negligence.

Editor's Note: The following criteria governs award of the Purple Heart in ALL branches of service, not just the United States Army. The text here is taken directly from AR 600-8-22, 25 February 1995 and Public Law 104-106 - Feb. 10, 1996

(sub-paragraphs have been indented to ease reading)

AR 600-8-22 / 25 February 1995

 

SEC. 571. PURPLE HEART TO BE AWARDED ONLY TO MEMBERS OF
THE ARMED FORCES.

 

(a) IN GENERAL.--(1) Chapter 57 of title 10, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new section:

 

"§ 1131. Purple Heart: limitation to members of the armed forces

 

"The decoration known as the Purple Heart (authorized to be awarded pursuant to Executive Order 11016) may only be awarded to a person who is a member of the armed forces at the time the person is killed or wounded under circumstances otherwise qualifying that person for award of the Purple Heart.".

(2) The table of sections at the beginning of such chapter is amended by adding at the end the following new item:

 

"1131. Purple Heart: limitation to members of the armed forces.".

 

(b) EFFECTIVE DATE.--Section 1131 of title 10, United States Code, as added by subsection (a), shall apply with respect to persons who are killed or wounded after the end of the 180-day period beginning on (18 Nov 1997) the date of the enactment of this Act.

2-8. Purple Heart

 

The Purple Heart was established by General George Washington, at Newburgh, New York, on 7 August 1782, during the Revolutionary War. It was reestablished by the President of the United States per War Department General Orders 3, 1932 and is currently awarded pursuant to Executive Order 11016, 25 April 1962, Executive Order 12464, 23 February 1984 and Public Law 98-525, 19 October 1984.

 

a. The Purple Heart is awarded in the name of the President of the United States to any member of an Armed Force or any civilian national of the United States who, while serving under competent authority in any capacity with one of the U.S. Armed Services after 5 April 1917, has been wounded or killed, or who has died or may hereafter die after being wounded

(1) In any action against an enemy of the United States.

(2) In any action with an opposing armed force of a foreign country in which the Armed Forces of the United States are or have been engaged.

(3) While serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.

(4) As a result of an act of any such enemy of opposing armed forces.

(S) As the result of an act of any hostile foreign force.

(6) After 28 March 1973, as a result of an international terrorist attack against the United States or a foreign nation friendly to the United States, recognized as such an attack by the Secretary of the Army, or jointly by the Secretaries of the separate armed Services concerned if persons from more than one service are wounded in the attack.

(7) After 28 March 1973, as a result of military operations while serving outside the territory of the United States as part of a peacekeeping force.

b. While clearly an individual decoration, the Purple Heart differs from all other decorations in that an individual is not "recommended" for the decoration; rather he or she is entitled to it upon meeting specific criteria.

(1) A Purple Heart is authorized for the first wound suffered under conditions indicated above, but for each subsequent award an Oak Leaf Cluster will be awarded to be worn on the medal or ribbon. Not more than one award will be made for more than one wound or injury received at the same instant or from the same missile, force, explosion, or agent.

(2) A wound is defined as an injury to any part of the body from an outside force or agent sustained under one or more of the conditions listed above A physical lesion is not required, however, the wound for which the award is made must have required treatment by a medical officer and records of medical treatment for wounds or injuries received in action must have been made a matter of official record.

(3) When contemplating an award of this decoration, the key issue that commanders must take into consideration is the degree to which the enemy caused the injury. The fact that the proposed recipient was participating in direct or indirect combat operations is a necessary prerequisite, but is not sole justification for award.

(4) Examples of enemy-related injuries which clearly justify award of the Purple Heart are as follows:

(a) Injury caused by enemy bullet, shrapnel, or other projectile created by enemy action.

(b) Injury caused by enemy placed mine or trap.

(c) Injury caused by enemy released chemical, biological or nuclear agent.

(d) Injury caused by vehicle or aircraft accident resulting from enemy fire.

(e) Concussion injuries caused as a result of enemy generated explosions.

(5) Examples of injuries or wounds which clearly do not qualify for award of the Purple Heart are as follows:

(a) Frostbite or trench foot injuries.

(b) Heat stroke.

(c) Food poisoning not caused by enemy agents.

(d) Chemical, biological, or nuclear agents not released by the enemy.

(e) Battle fatigue.

(f) Disease not directly caused by enemy agents.

(g) Accidents, to include explosive, aircraft, vehicular, and other accidental wounding not related to or caused by enemy action.

(h) Self-inflicted wounds, except when in the heat of battle, and not involving gross negligence.

(i) Post traumatic stress disorders.

(j) Jump injuries not caused by enemy action.

(6) It is not intended that such a strict interpretation of the requirement for the wound or injury to be caused by direct result of hostile action be taken that it would preclude the award being made to deserving personnel. Commanders must also take into consideration, the circumstances surrounding an injury, even if it appears to meet the criteria. Note the following examples:

(a) In case such as an individual injured while making a parachute landing from an aircraft that had been brought down enemy fire; or, an individual injured as a result of a vehicle accident caused by enemy fire, the decision will be made in favor of the individual and the award will be made.

(b) Individuals wounded or killed as a result of "friendly fire" in the "heat of battle" will be awarded the Purple Heart as long as the "friendly" projectile or agent was released with the full intent of inflicting damage or destroying enemy troops or equipment.

(c) Individuals injured as a result of their own negligence; for example, driving or walking through an unauthorized area known to have been mined or placed off limits or searching for or picking up unexploded munitions as war souvenirs, will not be awarded the Purple Heart as they clearly were not injured as a result of enemy action, but rather by their own negligence.

c. A Purple Heart will be issued to the next of kin of each person entitled to a posthumous award. Issue will be made automatically by the Commanding General, PERSCOM, upon receiving a report of death indicating entitlement.

d. Upon written application to Commander, ARPERCEN, ATIN.- DAR-P-VSEA, 9700 Page Boulevard, St. Louis, MO 63132-5200, award may be made to any member of the Army, who during World War 1, was awarded a Meritorious Service Citation Certificate signed by the Commander in Chief, American Expeditionary Forces, or who was authorized to wear wound chevrons. Posthumous awards to personnel who were killed or died of wounds after 5 April 1917 will be made to the appropriate next of kin upon application to the Commanding General, PERSCOM.

e. Any member of the Army who was awarded the Purple Heart for meritorious achievement or service, as opposed to wounds received in action, between 7 December 1941 and 22 September 1943, may apply for award of an appropriate decoration instead of the Purple Heart.

f. For those who became Prisoners of War after 25 April 1962, the Purple Heart will be awarded to individuals wounded while prisoners of foreign forces, upon submission by the individual to the Department of the U.S. Army of an affidavit that is supported by a statement from a witness, if this is possible. Documentation and inquiries Should be directed to Commander, PERSCOM, ATTN: TAPCPDA, Alexandria, VA 22332-0471.

g. Any member of the U.S. Army who believes that he or she is eligible for the Purple Heart, but through unusual circumstances no award was made, may submit an application through military channels, to Commander, PERSCOM, ATTN: TAPC-PDA, Alexandria, VA 22332-0471. Application will include complete documentation, to include evidence of medical treatment, pertaining to the wound.

 

PUBLIC LAW 104-106 - FEB. 10, 1996

 

SEC. 621. AWARD OF PURPLE HEART TO PERSONS WOUNDED WHILE HELD AS PRISONERS OF WAR BEFORE APRIL 2G, 1962.

 

(a) AWARD OF PURPLE HEART.—For purposes of the award of the Purple Heart, the Secretary concerned (as defined in section 101 of title 10, United States Code) shall treat a former prisoner of war who was wounded before April 25, 1962, while held as a prisoner of war (or while being taken captive) in the same manner as a former prisoner of war who is wounded on or after that date while held as a prisoner of war (or while being taken captive).

(b) STANDARDS FOR AWARD.—An award of the Purple Heart under subsection (a) shall be made in accordance with the standards in effect on the date of the enactment of this Act for the award of the Purple Heart to persons wounded on or after April 25, 1962.

(C) ELIGIBLE FORMER PRISONERS OF WAR.—A person shall be considered to be a former prisoner of war for purposes of this section if the person is eligible for the prisoner-of-war meda1 under section 1128 of title 10, United States Code.

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