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Holy whah! Some Yoopers fear colorful dialect may be fading
AP ^ | 2-22-04 | John Flesher

Posted on 02/21/2004 9:43:03 PM PST by Dan from Michigan

Holy whah! Some Yoopers fear colorful dialect may be fading

By JOHN FLESHER
The Associated Press
2/21/2004, 7:50 a.m. ET

HOUGHTON, Mich. (AP) — Dan Junttila is a proud Yooper. So proud that he teaches a course at the local middle school on the history and culture of his beloved Upper Peninsula.

So he would mourn if one of the most notable characteristics of da U.P. — dat colorful way of talkin' dey got up dere — were to fade away, eh? Holy whah!

"I love the dialect," says the 51-year-old Junttila, born and bred in the western U.P.'s mining and logging country.

"Preserving our heritage and our culture, what could ever be wrong with that? Seems to be such an effort to get everybody to melt together in such a way that we'll all lose any semblance of self or identity."

Plenty of Yoopers, as residents of the Upper Peninsula are fondly known, take pride in their distinctive accents and quirky colloquialisms. "Holy whah," for example, is the Yooper equivalent of "Holy cow" or a similar exclamation.

But some fear the dialect is declining and eventually could disappear. They point to an increasingly mobile society, the passing of immigrant generations whose native languages shaped the Yooper tongue, and the homogenizing influence of mass culture and media.

"It's partly the transplants — people coming here from all over the country," said Dan Dulong, 57, a meat cutter from Hancock, a former mining town home to many descendants of Finnish immigrants.

Last December, the Upper Peninsula's four state representatives sponsored a resolution to establish Yooper as the "official state dialect."

It describes Yooper as "endangered ... on the verge of vanishing forever," and argues that preserving it would "maintain a tie to our multicultural heritage."

Rep. Rich Brown, D-Bessemer, acknowledged the measure is largely symbolic. It was proposed by a ninth-grader to the Legislative Civics Commission, a group of lawmakers who visit schools to discuss state government.

Still, Brown said keeping the Yooper dialect alive is a worthy cause. "It is kind of a trademark," he said.

Elizabeth Norton, the student at Traverse City's East Junior High School who crafted the resolution, said her research had turned up scholarly papers that described Yooper talk as fading.

"If we lose that, we'll lose part of what makes us unique as a state," she said.

Even a troll — that is, anyone residing in lower Michigan (below the Mackinac Bridge, which links the two peninsulas) — can appreciate how sad it would be if Yooper dialect went da way of da dodo.

But is there really anything to worry about? Some say rumors of the demise of U.P. dialect are greatly exaggerated.

"It's changing, but it's not dying," said Kathryn Remlinger, an associate professor at Grand Valley State University who has studied Upper Peninsula speech. "Language is always changing."

Actually, she added, there is no single Yooper dialect. What you hear depends on where in the peninsula you are, and on the age and social class of the speaker. Many U.P. residents sound like typical Midwesterners.

Accents are thicker in rural areas, which are less exposed to outside influences, and among older people only a generation or two removed from immigrant ancestors, Remlinger said.

The Yooper dialect is a linguistic melting pot, featuring pronunciations and idiomatic words and phrases rooted in the languages of Europeans who settled in the Upper Peninsula — and of native Indians.

French explorers arrived in the 1600s and made their mark. But the stereotypical U.P. dialect owes more to the immigration wave during the copper and iron ore mining rush two centuries later.

People came primarily from Finland and the Cornwall region of western England, but also Sweden, Poland, Croatia, Slovenia and Italy. As the immigrants and their children learned English, their heavily accented pronunciations helped form the regional dialect.

In the "Copper Country" of the northwestern U.P., Finnish mining families mostly kept to themselves, preserving their native tongue for several generations.

"There were Finnish newspapers, churches, intermarriage — the kinds of things that keep communities together," said Victoria Bergvall, associate professor of linguistics at Michigan Tech University in Houghton.

Many of the most commonly known "Yooperisms" show the Finnish influence, such as the substitution of a "d" sound for "th," as in "dere" instead of "there" or "dem" instead of them."

Another example: the pronunciation of "yeah" as "yah," which Remlinger traces to the Finnish equivalent: "joo."

But she says the familiar Yooper practice of ending sentences with "eh" ("Have a nice, day, eh") probably comes from the French "hein," a word French Canadians often tack onto sentences.

Alas, even those old standards may not last forever. Laura Walikainen, a student of Bergvall's at Michigan Tech, reported to a linguistics conference last fall that the younger generation is more apt to end sentences with "hey" than "eh."

The 21-year-old Walikainen, a lifelong Copper Country resident with a barely noticeable accent, takes pride in Yooper dialect but admits she isn't immune to social pressures at college to avoid being too distinctive.

"The way you talk is so important — it's how you're judged," she said.

Concerns that U.P. speech makes one sound "like a hick" arise from long-standing stereotypes of Yoopers as ignorant and uncultured, Remlinger said. The word "Yooper" itself once was viewed as derogatory.

Many young adults who leave the area for school or careers suppress their accents to avoid ridicule, she said.

"People aren't aware of how damaging linguistic prejudices can be — not just to self-esteem, but in the way they contribute to the losing of a culture," Remlinger said.

Yet there's reason for hope, she added. A growing sense of ethnic identity and sense of place is actually strengthening many regional dialects. And most linguists believe the watering-down effects of radio and television are limited.

"There are a lot of people who darn well want to keep speaking Yooper and they really don't care what anyone thinks," said Junttila, the middle school teacher, who encourages his "U.P. Topics" students to appreciate their roots.

During a recent class, the youngsters read about the Cornish pasty, a meat-and-vegetable turnover that was a luncheon staple during the mining era and remains popular.

"We have an undying Yooper belief, a kind of stubbornness, that says something that was once so good and comfortable must be worth holding on to," Junttila said. "Not all change is good."

When filmmaker Jeff Daniels made "Escanaba in da Moonlight," an offbeat 2001 comedy larded with U.P. stereotypes and exaggerated renderings of the dialect, some complained it was demeaning. But other Yoopers took it in stride, considering it a celebration of the region's traditions.

"We're used to all the jokes," said Ken Myllyla, 71, of Escanaba, a third-generation Finn. He and a couple of buddies gave Daniels and his crew some tips on Yooper talk as they produced the film. "Mostly they just had us talk to each other while they listened," Myllyla said.

"People from lower Michigan used to call us hicks and that stuck in our craw," said Jim DeCaire of Ishpeming, leader of the comedy troupe Da Yoopers. "Now there's a love affair with the Upper Peninsula. Everybody wants to be a Yooper."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: dialects; eh; yoopers
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To: Dan from Michigan
And since when is Traverse City in the U.P.?
21 posted on 02/21/2004 10:51:14 PM PST by Rose in RoseBear (HHD [ ... on some maps, the U.P. is not in the United States ...])
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To: cameronsmom
Whenever I take a trip back to the U.P. I have to have a pasty for at least one meal, lunch or dinner.

Oh, and a pizza from the Riverside Pizzeria in Iron River. Heavenly pizza!
22 posted on 02/21/2004 10:52:43 PM PST by Bear_in_RoseBear (Say yah to da U.P., eh?)
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To: cameronsmom
<shudder!>

Ketchup has many uses; on pastry is not one of them!

<laughing!>

23 posted on 02/21/2004 10:53:00 PM PST by Rose in RoseBear (HHD [ ... on some maps, the U.P. is not even a land mass ...])
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To: Rose in RoseBear
I wondered that one myself.
24 posted on 02/21/2004 10:54:53 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("You know it don't come easy, the road of the gypsy" - Iron Eagle)
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To: Rose in RoseBear
You put ketchup on potatoes all the time!

I don't know if I can wait until our next trip back... might have to have one shipped down to tide me over.
25 posted on 02/21/2004 10:55:15 PM PST by Bear_in_RoseBear (Say yah to da U.P., eh?)
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To: Rose in RoseBear
ketchup is one of my favorite condiments. Land o'lakes cheese is good too. I cant find it out here.
26 posted on 02/21/2004 10:56:15 PM PST by cameronsmom
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To: Dan from Michigan
My folks are from the U.P. The thing I always remember about the dialect is how certain words are pronounced. Staying in a cabin near Mackinac Island, my FInnish uncle would say, "Let's go fishin, kids. Get OOT of the HOOSE and get on the BOOT!" After dinner, we would have Korpuu and go to the SOW-NAH.
27 posted on 02/21/2004 10:58:51 PM PST by inkling
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To: inkling
I have alot of family that still talks that way... The dont notice...In fact they still refer to anyone south of duluth, as "612ers" even though the have more areacodes now...

My parents speak to their dogs in finn. (this is also the same family who had thier dog neutered, but had fake ones put in place of the real ones...)

To each his own I guess!!!
28 posted on 02/21/2004 11:04:40 PM PST by cameronsmom
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To: cameronsmom
I was always told, the way to say "sauna" is sow-nah.

Absolutely! That's how my husband and his mom always pronounced it. I thought they were nuts at first.

They had a lake on the (dairy, of course) farm and used to jump in as well.

Did i mention I am 90+% scandanavian...

Only scandanavian by marriage. Husband's father is Greek, and like most Greek men, left the childraising to the wife, who was a Finn from the UP, so my husband got a lot of the Scandanavian ways.

ornery and stubborn as all heck.

Hmm, why am I not surprised? Are all of y'all like that??? : )

29 posted on 02/22/2004 12:01:25 AM PST by radiohead
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To: cameronsmom
I was always told, the way to say "sauna" is sow-nah

I dated a Finnish woman for a little while whilst I was stationed in Macedonia (long story) and that is exactly how she pronounced it- and the inflection was such that the 'n' in the word was actually like a valley between two hills, the 'a' in the last syllable having a rising feel to it.

30 posted on 02/22/2004 12:39:27 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: radiohead
"...ornery and stubborn as all heck.

Hmm, why am I not surprised? Are all of y'all like that?"

I'm married to a fellow who is 1/2 Scandanavian, his mother's parents immigrated from the Swedish-speaking enclave in Finnland. So we argue about whether they are Swedes or Finns. Of course, I'm right they are ethnic Swedes as the Finns are different linguistically from the other Scandos.

They, esp. hubby, are certainly ornery, and whoo-boy, super-stubborn, ohmigosh, esp. our kid. Bull-headed.

But, then again, they think I'm Irish and argumentative, which I am.

God Bless America!
31 posted on 02/22/2004 1:16:33 AM PST by jocon307 (The dems don't get it, the American people do.)
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To: Rose in RoseBear
The first time I tried to make pasties (from my non-cooking M-I-L's recipe, save me), I mixed up the potatoes and the hamburger, and it seemed so bland ... so I added whole-kernel corn, and chili powder, and garlic.

OMG! Corn, chili powder & garlic in a PASTY? Talk about some weird cross-cultural culinary disaster.

BTW, when Yoopers migrate down south (Green Bay), they can find pasties in every supermarket. I love 'em myself, but NOT with corn, chili powder & garlic. My hubby loves 'em with ketchup, I like 'em plain or with brown gravy.

32 posted on 02/22/2004 4:33:54 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: Dan from Michigan
Ping for later reading.....
33 posted on 02/22/2004 4:35:53 AM PST by RockChucker
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To: Dan from Michigan
If you want a colorful picture of the U.P., watch the Red Green show on channel 13. It's one of the channels you can get with just an antenna!

January's average temperture was 8 degrees. We got about 175" of snow that month. I'm so tired of shoveling, scooping, and blowing snow that I just leave it where it falls now. Just narrow paths now. The snow does keep the bugs down though!!

Well, I'm off to shovel the church steps, yous guys take care, eh.
34 posted on 02/22/2004 5:28:41 AM PST by duk
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To: Dan from Michigan
The Keewenaw Peninsula hasn't changed in the 45 years that I've been going there.
35 posted on 02/22/2004 5:32:19 AM PST by PGalt (My mom was born and raised in Calumet)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Why is the UP part of MI?

There was a half hearted yupper movement a few years ago to create a new State
of "Superior."
As I recall there was no resistance from the Michigan State government.
More Michigan tax money went to the UP than was collected there so Michigan
would have been better off.

Now if we could just convince Ontario to take Detroit. Please.

36 posted on 02/22/2004 5:42:37 AM PST by ASA Vet ("Those who know, don't talk, those who talk, don't know.")
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To: Dan from Michigan
Hey! I grew up in Iron Mountain, and went to school in Houghton and graduated from Northern! I do hope "Yooper" dialect stays. I suspect their affection for the dialect is less militaristic than other people groups'....

Ah, pasties. If you're from Wisconsin, you use gravy. But if you're wanting to truly appreciate a pasty, you eat it with ketchup, the way it was meant to be eaten. :-)

I still tell stories to friends of how in high school, the school cafeteria was in the basement of a Roman Catholic church, and how we'd never have red meat on Fridays. Tuna spaghetti! Whew!

Ah, the UP.... I hope outsiders don't discover it.
37 posted on 02/22/2004 6:02:11 AM PST by Theo
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To: Dan from Michigan
I got introduced to the yoopers a couple of years ago when I went hunting in Mich for the first time. I love regional differences and had as much fun with the UP people as they had with my Texas colloquialisms. Look forward to going back.
38 posted on 02/22/2004 6:03:30 AM PST by TEXASPROUD
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To: cameronsmom
"sauna" is sow-nah

That's the correct pronunciation. Say it with pride, knowing that the rest of the states mispronounce that word. :-)

39 posted on 02/22/2004 6:03:36 AM PST by Theo
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To: Dan from Michigan
The following phrase is actually a word.

Yea-der-hey-what-say-you-and-me-go-down-to-da-pub-and-trow-a-fer-beers-in-our-heads - - eh?

40 posted on 02/22/2004 6:07:32 AM PST by ChadGore (Viva Bush. He's EARNED a second term.)
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