Going on the offensive

origional | 2/20/2004 | Tasmanianred

[TASMANIANRED]

It's time to nationalize all elections and attack the Democratic party as an institution as well as going after individual candidates. The whimpy Republicans can't stand up to the Democratic PC police , they need a grass roots infusion of spine. The infusion works by independent issue oriented add campaigns.

Feel free to throw in your 2 cents worth after I describe the basic concept.

Commercial opens with cute kids jumping rope or playing on the playground, Fade in newborn with male and female parents, the US military, A family farm, pristine wilderness.

Voice over says, "THE DEMOCRATS CLAIM THEIR ACTIONS TO BE FOR THE CHILDREN, IN SUPPORT OF FAMILIES, A STRONG NATIONAL DEFENSE, THE ENVIRONMENT."

The scenes start changing now we see the bags of body parts from abortion clinics, pictures particularly hateful about America from the anti-war/answer protests, some really flamboyant pics from the gay pride parades, the pics of two women in wedding gowns kissing infront of the JP, pics of the guy in California that murdered the family, and pics of houses being consumed in forest fires.Pics of some slum school.

The voice over continues, THE TRUTH IS THIS: THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT DEMOCRAT POLICIES AND THEIR VOTING RECORD ACTUALLY SUPPORTS.

Any politicans record can be added at the end. EG "Senator Kerry voted against the defense of marriage act, Senator Kerry voted against the Patriot missle system, voted X times to cut the military, to cut the CIA. Senator Kerry has voted against ANWAR, against allowing brush clearing in the national forests.Voted against ending the marriage penalty tax. The best ending would be voting against defense of marriage.

End with: CAN YOU TRUST THE FUTURE OF YOUR CHILDREN TO THESE PEOPLE.

We need some funding and somebody to produce and edit and then plaster it everywhere in the US.

The Kerry example is a generic one. Need to paint them all with the same brush.

[rhombus]

Ooooh, you Republicans are so mean....you know that's what we'd hear.

[joyce11111]

bump

[cwb]

Speaking of Kerry, so much can also be done with humor. I would like to see a debate between John Kerry and....John Kerry. Using CGI, I'm sure some innovative person could put together a podium with Senator Kerry on one side debating presidential candidate Kerry on the other.

[GraceCoolidge]

Speaking of Kerry, so much can also be done with humor. I would like to see a debate between John Kerry and....John Kerry. Using CGI, I'm sure some innovative person could put together a podium with Senator Kerry on one side debating presidential candidate Kerry on the other.

That is a great idea!

[nobody_knows]

[TASMANIANRED]

The point of the whole exercise is to get the truth out and cream the bastages. I am sick to death of the double standard and the mud slinging from the left. They got away with claiming that Republicans wanted to starve children, racist, homophobe , blah, blah, blah.

Hit them where it hurts, force the bums to run against their real records. Give the American voter a real view of what the liberal dream for this country is.

[Seeking the truth]

How about this?

[rhombus]

You got to fight the press too.

[cwb]

Exactly. I'm sure there must be someone at the RNC who can put something like that together. You could go back to the the '70s with this guy: On one side, John Kerry the "war hero"...and on the other, John Kerry the admitted "war criminal." There's just a load of (recorded) material to work with.

[wistful]

Damn right. The Conservatives are too tame and they do not fight hard enough. They are also confused. Look at the way some of them wasted time and energy attacking Ann Coulter, a real fighter, rather than focusing their attacks on the real enemy.

The extreme left have attained a degree of political ascendancy that they should never really have been able to. It is in one way a credit to their side that they have done this, but in another way, it can be seen as a dereliction of duty on the Conservative side.

If the Conservatives were a football team, and allowed so many tries by the opposition, the coach would be looking at making some wholesale changes to the team right?

[VRW Conspirator]

IMHO, I agree with you that it is time to fight back against the Dem party ASAP. But I do not agree on the strategy because the repercussions would be worse. Follow me on this.

If you break the Dem party into three general groups, you have the rank-and-file, the liberals and the activists. Obviously, these are loose definitions. If you use the broad approach of attacking the whole party, you would alienate the rank-and-file and galvanize the Dems. They would love that, as it would give the terribly fractured party the unifying effect that they need to come at us.

The better approach is to divide and conquer using issues. The group closest to the conservatives is the rank-and-file. Among these are Truman/FDR Dems and Union workers. They can become the middle ground that the 'Pubs fight over against the Dems. For instance, 2nd amendment issues will ring with much of the rank-and-file Dems but not the liberals and activists. A strong defense/security will also ring with this group. Gay marriage will repulse this group also.

The Dem party is dominated at the leadership level by activists(lefties) and liberals. The strategy is to separate the leadership from a large part of the base. We are witnessing this now to a great extent. Howard Dean epitomized this. He pulled the hard-core left to his side but pushed the rank-and-file to the right. His emergence as a contender at the beginning was indicative of the liberal and activist contingent. I believe that had he won the nomination, he would have alienated the rank-and-file as had Dukakis and Mondale did. Too bad. Kerry is much like Dean except that he is better at hiding it.

I will agree with you that the leadership of the Dem party needs to be marginalized and rendered unelectable. The establishment media has been a terrific firewall against such de-activization. Although, we do have the Internet and talk radio. I, like you, wish there was a concerted effort to take TV time and crush the malignant portion of the Dems, namely the leadership. FWIW.

[TASMANIANRED]

Kerry is an excellent example and this works very well for him. The whole Democratic party is the issue though. Look at Phoenix and Chicago. It doesn't matter the face.
With the exception of Miller from Georgia the whole party has incrementally been pulling this country down by the rafters. There needs to be a housecleaning that makes 1994 look like chump change.

Yeah the liberal press will cry mean spirited, etc but that is just another opportunity. If the adds are fact based then defending would be relatively easy. We need somebody not linked to the RNC answering the hue and cry. Somebody who doesn't get their mammary in the wringer because the NY Times says something bad about them.

The proper response would be to force them to confront the facts on the votes, confront the statements in speeches.

Newt was discredited on fly specks but he had the right idea with the Contract for America. Make every election a national issue. Look at this piss ant in San Francisco, one gay man in a city has turned the entire country on its head.

Howard Dean howled about taking the country back from Rush Limbaugh. I want to take the country back from the pervert, socialist, lunatic fringe. We are being forced to live under the tyrany of a minority. What happened to "We the People"?

I was watching Dennis Miller last night, Reyes-Davis, Aldred and I think Limbach ( Not sure about the spellings on names) the discussion was in 30 years , 50 % of the population of Europe will be Muslim. Aldred jumped in with rascist, judgemental, all the typical liberal mantra's.
Speaking the objective truth is now rascist.

Screw it. Screw the press, Get the adds out and go around the press, Make them defend on the issues. Make Kerry say he voted against the defense of marriage. Make Daschle say he made a deal to clean up the forests in his home state while condemning the rest of the country to raging forest fires.

The one question I have wanted anyone to ask of every politico that saw no link between el-Qaida and Hussein. How many more dead American civilians would it take for you to want to deal with this at the source? 3000 wasn't enough, how about 30,000, or 300,000. Make them say not enough Americans died. It's what they really think. They think we deserved it .

[cwb]

I couldn't agree more. In fact, if the RNC can't...or doesn't have the balls to call the Dems on their deceit and deception, then they should at least stay out of the way while others do. What disturbs me, is that some Repubicans will actually speak out against those conervatives who do just what you suggest.

Democrats are never called on by the media to "distance" themselves from a so-called attack ad. Republicans, on the other hand, are not only called on, they usually do. I think back to the "No Christians Allowed" ad, that rightfully pointed out the anti-religious bias by the Democrats in obstucting Bush's nominees. Instead of arguing the appearance of truth in that ad, some Republicans joined in the chorus of mean-spiritedness. If the Republicans can't find the courage to attack the Democrats with facts, they should at least keep their trap shut while others do.

[sauropod]

The Stupid Party does not have a taste for blood politics.

[cyborg]

You're right. That's the province of democrats.

[TASMANIANRED]

I am in agreement that Republicans are too worried about being perceived as being nice to fight hard. I am not talking about fighting dirty.

The governement can only be as good as the populace forces it to be. It is called accountability. It is time for We the people to hold both parties to account.

The Republicans may have allowed the US to slouch towards Gomorah but the Democrats have embraced Sodom with relish and gusto. Enough already.

[sweetliberty]

"you Republicans are so mean....you know that's what we'd hear"

We hear it anyway.

[Miles Vorkosigan]

If you are going to cut and run the moment someone says something against you, please cut and run now. We don't need you.

[sweetliberty]

"The point of the whole exercise is to get the truth out and cream the bastages. I am sick to death of the double standard and the mud slinging from the left."

Amen to that....and they're already attacking Republicans for playing dirty (preemptively) and the "games" haven't even begun. I hate these RAT b*st*rds! I like your idea. Truth to a RAT is like a cross to a vampire. Actually, I don't see much difference between RATs and vampires.