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Vets refuse to forgive Kerry for antiwar acts
THE WASHINGTON TIMES ^ | Charles Hurt

Posted on 02/20/2004 7:53:49 AM PST by freebacon

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:13:28 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

John Forbes Kerry, who has voiced his presidential aspirations since high school, criticized America's "intervention" in Vietnam before going to the war, confirmed his beliefs during five months of duty there and returned to build a career in politics based on his opposition to it. "The United States must, I think, bring itself to understand that the policy of intervention that was right for Western Europe does not and cannot find the same application to the rest of the world," Mr. Kerry told his Yale University classmates in a 1966 graduation address. Within the next five years, at the height of the antiwar movement, Mr. Kerry was referring to America's leadership as "deserters" and "war criminals," portraying U.S. soldiers in Vietnam as inhumane killers and inflaming protesters by tearfully tossing away war medals

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KEYWORDS: 2004; kerry; psuedohero; tedsampley; vets; vietnam
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Kommunist Kerry, has never stood against the grain, his views express those he thinks are the most popular at the time, every time. Perfect example of another wishy- washy polition with no integrity. Except in this case his anti- war sentiment cost American soldiers lives on the battlefields on Vietnam. If anything makes him an ineligible president this is it, if anything makes him a more disagreeable human being, this is it.
1 posted on 02/20/2004 7:53:49 AM PST by freebacon
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I thought every vet except myself loved the guy.
2 posted on 02/20/2004 7:56:16 AM PST by Piquaboy
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To: freebacon
1. Paragraph breaks are your friend.

2. EVERY time I see a title like this, I INSTANTLY wonder, "Did he ask for forgiveness?"

Forgiveness is so little-understood, today.

Dan

3 posted on 02/20/2004 7:57:29 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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Mega-bump. I loathe him and will do whatever it takes to defeat him.
4 posted on 02/20/2004 7:57:58 AM PST by Viet Vet in Augusta GA
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To: freebacon
Its easier to read this way


    John Forbes Kerry, who has voiced his presidential aspirations since high school, criticized America's "intervention" in Vietnam before going to the war, confirmed his beliefs during five months of duty there and returned to build a career in politics based on his opposition to it.
    "The United States must, I think, bring itself to understand that the policy of intervention that was right for Western Europe does not and cannot find the same application to the rest of the world," Mr. Kerry told his Yale University classmates in a 1966 graduation address.
    Within the next five years, at the height of the antiwar movement, Mr. Kerry was referring to America's leadership as "deserters" and "war criminals," portraying U.S. soldiers in Vietnam as inhumane killers and inflaming protesters by tearfully tossing away war medals — medals he would admit 13 years later weren't his.
    "These are the commanders who have deserted their troops," Mr. Kerry in 1971 told Congress after listing the top commanders of U.S. forces in Vietnam. "And there is no more serious crime in the laws of war."
    The eventual senator from Massachusetts had found his political footing among war protesters and in front of the cameras, a place he would come to know and cherish, according to his state's political insiders, who have told the Boston Globe they refer to him as "Live Shot," for his penchant for attracting coverage.
    Mr. Kerry has used his impressive war record — he won a Silver Star, Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts — as the foundation of his political career, and since beginning his bid for the Democratic presidential nomination this year, has invoked his military credentials whenever possible.
    "As I look around at my crewmates and the veterans here today, I am reminded that the best lessons I learned about being an American came in a place far away from America — on a gunboat in the Mekong Delta with a small crew of volunteers," Mr. Kerry told supporters when he formally began his campaign at Patriots Point, S.C., with the USS Yorktown as a backdrop.
    "I saw courage both in the Vietnam War and in the struggle to stop it. I learned that patriotism includes protest, not just military service."
    On the campaign trail, Mr. Kerry routinely draws distinctions between his service and that of President Bush, such as when he lampoons Mr. Bush for landing in a jet on an aircraft carrier to announce the end to major operations in Iraq.
    "I know something about aircraft carriers for real," Mr. Kerry often says.
    The same record Mr. Kerry wields as evidence of his leadership abilities is also used by his harshest critics, who question the severity of the injuries he used to get sent home early and the five medals he garnered in five months.
    "If I got three Purple Hearts for three scratches, I'd be embarrassed," said Ted Sampley, who fought in Vietnam and publishes U.S. Veteran Dispatch. He remembers soldiers turning away awards for minor injuries.
    Mr. Kerry has said none of his Purple Heart injuries, only one of which removed him from the field for two days, was critical.
    After his third Purple Heart, Mr. Kerry requested and was granted permission to return to the United States to work behind a desk in New York. Even while still a Navy man, he began traveling to antiwar rallies with leading war protesters such as Adam Walinsky, a former speechwriter for Robert F. Kennedy.
    Mr. Walinsky recalled that Mr. Kerry flew him around the state of New York for several Vietnam Moratorium protests in October 1969.
    "He was a guy who had been in the war," he said. "We spent a lot of time talking about the campaign, the presidential campaign and the Vietnam War."
    Mr. Kerry has said he did not take part in the protests, but was intrigued by Mr. Walinsky's views about the war. The two men stayed in contact and "became reasonably good friends," Mr. Walinsky said.
    Others were shocked by the Naval officer's association with the antiwar movement.
    "He gets this cushy job in his hometown, goes around protesting the war, then asks to get out six months early," Mr. Sampley said. "What regulations were busted when Kerry — as a Naval officer and still on the payroll — was flying around protesting the war? And who had to stand in and fight for John Kerry after he left six months early?"
    Mr. Sampley recently started a group called Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry. The Web site, which labels the senator "Hanoi John Kerry," has attracted thousands of anti-Kerry e-mails and online postings from other veterans.
    In Mr. Kerry's first active-duty assignment, he served in the electrical department of the USS Gridley, a guided-missile frigate supporting the Navy's fleet of carriers in the Gulf of Tonkin.
    "I didn't have any real feel for what the heck was going on [in the war]," Mr. Kerry told the Boston Globe in a story last summer, referring to his time on the Gridley.
    He then became a commander of a Navy swift boat, which at the time were used to transport sailors to ships in the gulf. Two weeks after beginning his new assignment, the safe job he had picked became much more dangerous when the boats began being used in the Mekong Delta to seek out the Viet Cong and block North Vietnamese supply routes.
    "I didn't really want to get involved in the war," the Globe cites Mr. Kerry saying in a 1986 book about Vietnam. "When I signed up for the swift boats, they had very little to do with the war. They were engaged in coastal patrolling and that's what I thought I was going to do."
    Then Lieutenant (j.g.) Kerry got more than he had expected. He was involved in close combat with the Viet Cong, leading to all of his medals.
    Questions arose during his 1996 Senate re-election campaign about whether Mr. Kerry deserved the awards, in particular the Silver Star. Accounts of the incident vary, but essentially Mr. Kerry chased down a wounded Viet Cong fighter, killed him and stripped him of the B-40 rocket launcher he had just fired at Mr. Kerry's swift boat.
    The Viet Cong fighter had already been wounded by the boat's machine gunner, according to various reports from eyewitnesses, who had "laid down 50 rounds" into the hootch where the man had run to hide and from which Mr. Kerry emerged after applying what some described as the "coup de grace" to the wounded Viet Cong.
    A month later, an injured Mr. Kerry rescued a crewmate who had fallen overboard when a mine exploded near their boat. He received his third Purple Heart for an arm injury in this incident.
    Bill Zaladonis, an engineman on Mr. Kerry's boat, remembers that the future senator fought bravely and honorably. But, he said, some veterans simply will never forget what Mr. Kerry did after the war.
    "It doesn't matter what he does, they'll never forgive him," Mr. Zaladonis said from his home in Florida. "One of my best friends says he'll never vote for John Kerry — not even for dog catcher."
    In the summer of 1970, Mr. Kerry joined a group called Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), which he would later essentially lead, and early the next year participated in what came to be known as the "winter soldier" investigation, the group's inquiry into accusations of war atrocities by American soldiers.
    Mr. Kerry then testified before Congress, recounting the stories he heard from soldiers during the VVAW's investigation.
    "They told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan ..." Mr. Kerry told the assembled senators.
    It was a moment when even some of Mr. Kerry's defenders blanched.
    "I really lost it when they started talking about those atrocities," said Mr. Zaladonis. "That was more than a lot of us could take." Still, he said, it was courageous of Mr. Kerry to stand up and speak out, even if he didn't agree with him.
    Mr. Sampley remembers Mr. Kerry's testimony more starkly: "He gave the OK to the American people to call U.S. soldiers in Vietnam 'baby killers.' "
    "John Kerry gave aid and comfort to the enemy," said Mr. Sampley. "These guys he ran with after he left Vietnam, they were pretty radical."
    In the afternoon after his testimony, Mr. Kerry led a group of Vietnam veterans to the front steps of the Capitol, where they tossed away their war medals in disgust.
    "Tour of Duty," the glowing 2004 biography of Mr. Kerry by Douglas Brinkley, includes a photograph taken that day of his wife Julia Thorne consoling Mr. Kerry, who is curled up on the front lawn of the Capitol, weeping over the emotion of having just tossed away combat medals.
    But it wasn't until 13 years later that Mr. Kerry admitted he had actually thrown someone else's medals away, keeping his own safely at home.
    Later that night, several of Mr. Kerry's VVAW followers took a large American flag, flipped it upside down — a military signal of distress — and marched around the White House. It was a photo of those protesters carrying that flag Mr. Kerry chose as the cover of his book, "The New Soldier."
    Prior to joining the VVAW, Mr. Kerry's antiwar efforts were low-key, but on Sept. 7, 1970, he got his first real taste for the spotlight his stance would generate when he accepted a role in the group's Operation RAW (Rapid American Withdrawal). It called for Vietnam Veterans to march 86 miles between two Revolutionary War sites — Morristown, N.J., and Valley Forge, Pa. The spectacle of a ragtag band of ex-soldiers and sailors was aimed at getting the media's attention, which it did.
    He was a key speaker at the antiwar rally at Valley Forge, telling those gathered that "we are here because we above all others have earned the right to criticize the war on Southeast Asia."
    "It is not patriotism to ask Americans to die for a mistake," Mr. Kerry, wearing an Army jacket, told the crowd that included other Vietnam veterans. "It is not patriotic to allow a president to talk about not being the first president to lose a war, and using us as pawns in that game."
    An organizer for this and many other protests was actress and VVAW supporter Jane Fonda, who later became the symbol of treasonous protest when she went to Hanoi and sat astride an antiaircraft gun that had surely been used to shoot down American planes. Though Mr. Kerry was caught in a photograph with Miss Fonda, the senator has since said they were not close associates.
    

5 posted on 02/20/2004 7:59:19 AM PST by P8riot (A friend will help you move. A good friend will help you move a body.)
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THANKS! (Yep, it is easier to read!)
6 posted on 02/20/2004 8:03:04 AM PST by YepYep
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Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 6:17 PM
Subject: John Kerry...You decide


Sent to me by an old shipmate....

I was in the Delta shortly after he left. I know that area well. I
know the operations he was involved in well. I know the tactics and the
doctrine used. I know the equipment. Although I was attached to
CTF-116 (PBRs) I spent a fair amount of time with CTF-115 (swift
boats), Kerry's command.

Here are my problems and suspicions:

(1) Kerry was in-country less than four months and collected, a Bronze
Star, a Silver Star and three purple hearts. I never heard of anybody
with any outfit I worked with (including SEAL One, the Sea Wolves,
Riverines and the River Patrol Force) collecting that much hardware so
fast, and for such pedestrian actions. The Swifts did a commendable job.
But that duty wasn't the worst you could draw. They operated only
along the coast and in the major rivers (Bassac and Mekong). The rough
stuff in the hot areas was mainly handled by the smaller, faster PBRs.

(2) Three Purple Hearts but no limp. All injuries so minor that no
time lost from duty. Amazing luck. Or he was putting himself in for
medals every time he bumped his head on the wheel house hatch? Combat
on the boats was almost always at close range. You didn't have minor
wounds. At least not often. Not three times in a row. Then he used
the three purple hearts to request a trip home eight months before the
end of his tour. Fishy.

(3) The details of the event for which he was given the Silver Star
make no sense at all. Supposedly, a B-40 was fired at the boat and
missed. Charlie jumps up with the launcher in his hand, the bow gunner
knocks him down with the twin .50, Kerry beaches the boat, jumps off,
shoots Charlie, and retreives the launcher. If true, he did everything
wrong.
(a) Standard procedure when you took rocket fire was to put your
stern to the action and go balls to the wall. A B-40 has the ballistic
integrity of a frisbie after about 25 yards, so you put 50 yards or so
between you and the beach and begin raking it with your .50's.
(b) Did you ever see anybody get knocked down with a .50 caliber
round and get up? The guy was dead or dying. The rocket launcher was
empty. There was no reason to go after him (except if you knew he was
no danger to you just flopping around in the dust during his last few
seconds on earth, and you wanted some derring do in your after-action
report). And we didn't shoot wounded people. We had rules against that,
too.
(c) Kerry got off the boat. This was a major breach of standing
procedures. Nobody on a boat crew ever got off a boat in a hot area.
EVER! The reason was simple. If you had somebody on the beach your
boat was defenseless. It coudn't run and it couldn' t return fire. It
was stupid and it put his crew in danger. He should have been relieved
and reprimanded. I never heard of any boat crewman ever leaving a boat
during or after a firefight.

Something is fishy.

Here we have a JFK wannabe (the guy Halsey wanted to court martial for
carelessly losing his boat and getting a couple people killed by running
across the bow of a Jap destroyer) who is hardly in Vietnam long enough
to get good tan, collects medals faster than Audie Murphy in a job where
lots of medals weren't common, gets sent home eight months early,
requests separation from active duty a few months after that so he can
run for Congress, finds out war heros don't sell well in Massachsetts in
1970 so reinvents himself as Jane Fonda, throws his ribbons in the dirt
with the cameras running to jump start his political career, gets
Stillborn Pell to invite him to address Congress and Bobby Kennedy's
speechwriter to do the heavy lifting, winds up in the Senate himself a
few years later, votes against every major defense bill, says the CIA is
irrelevant after the Wall came down, votes against the Gulf War, a big
mistake since that turned out well, decides not to make the same mistake
twice so votes for invading Iraq, but oops, that didn't turn out so well
so he now says he really didn't mean for Bush to go to war when he voted
to allow him to go to war.

I'm real glad you or I never had this guy covering out flanks in
Vietnam. I sure don't want him as Commander in Chief. I hope that
somebody from CTF-115 shows up with some facts challenging Kerry's
Vietnam record. I know in my gut it's wildy inflated. And fishy.

Keep smiling,

Mike

7 posted on 02/20/2004 8:04:23 AM PST by Lexington Green (PC America - where only comedians are free to speak the truth.)
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To: BibChr
Sorry, sometimes I paste it incorrectly, it looks right when I preview it but comes out wrong.
8 posted on 02/20/2004 8:07:13 AM PST by freebacon
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I saw on CNN yesterday (yes, forgive me, I occasionally flip past) a Judy Woodruff interview of Kerry that got a bit testy. She asked him about his derrogatory statements after Vietnam and his leadership of the VVAW. His answer was typical Kerry flip-floppery: "I never said anything negative about the troops -- it was the leadership I was attacking... I NEVER said anything bad about the fighting men in uniform!" I can't quite convey in type the arrogance in that stentorian tone and affectation he exudes. Really quite disgusting.
9 posted on 02/20/2004 8:07:36 AM PST by ReleaseTheHounds
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To: freebacon
I hate what that happens. (c8

What I hate even worse is when I hit the "Post" button and, just before the screen changes, I catch some lame typo I've done and SHOULD HAVE caught. Aieee!

Dan
10 posted on 02/20/2004 8:18:21 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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ROFL! An example was MY LAST POST TO YOU!

Just after I hit "post," I saw I'd written "I hate what that happens" — when of course I meant "I hate WHEN that happens!"

Ay yi yi.

Dan
11 posted on 02/20/2004 8:19:41 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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If you think thats bad, I just posted another article and did the same thing.
12 posted on 02/20/2004 8:21:21 AM PST by freebacon
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For the life of me, I can't figure out why anyone would vote for an admitted war criminal (Kerry's Congressional testimony). The fact that he was the OIC of a boat only makes his crimes all that more reprehensible. Just ask the Germans in the dock at Nuremburg.

Bush = War President

Kerry = War Criminal

13 posted on 02/20/2004 8:21:24 AM PST by mushroom (.)
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Mr. Walinsky recalled that Mr. Kerry flew him around the state of New York for several Vietnam Moratorium protests in October 1969.

Here is J. F'ing Kerry's flag.


14 posted on 02/20/2004 8:34:18 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (WARNING! DumbocRATs never met a tax increase they didn't like.)
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To: freebacon
When anyone posts from the Washington Times, you need to preview it first because almost invariably it needs to be edited.

I use the HTML symbol < p >, but without the space before and after the 'p'. If I wrote it correctly now, it would vanish when previewed or posted. You have to edit it in the area where you pasted the article at the end of each paragraph. That's how I do it. You do loose the indentation at the start of each paragraph that way, but it works.
15 posted on 02/20/2004 8:52:07 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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Thanks for the help.
16 posted on 02/20/2004 9:36:38 AM PST by freebacon
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You can compare him to Benedict Arnold, to Tokyo Rose, Axis Annie. He really isn't one to run on being this great war hero when he was so ready to get out so soon and come back and turn into a VietCong defender, speak about the supposed war crimes of US soldiers-when he never witnessed such and supported phonies who posed as Vietnam veterans when they never served who testified as such. He had no right to go out and slander so many and make them the bad guys. There are so many quotes and actions from Kerry that really show what a piece of garbage he is.
17 posted on 02/20/2004 9:55:49 AM PST by bushfamfan
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To: YepYep
From what I see he stills run with the exact same commie/socialist crowd..just expanded it to include RATS like teddy k.
18 posted on 02/20/2004 10:01:01 AM PST by GailA (Millington Rally for America after action http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/872519/posts)
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Thanks for the help.

Your welcome. I forgot to say what a vile POS Kerry is. BTW, if your HTML skills aint so hot like me, FR has some very good tutorials on it, just enter HTML into the search function.

19 posted on 02/20/2004 10:14:03 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Lexington Green
Excellent insights, the best I've read so far concerning this phony's service. Under the FOIA, his service record can be known. It's always refreshing when a fellow swab refutes some of the BS that is bandied about by these people. When you know how a unit works, it puts a different light on things. Thanks for the insight.

RB
20 posted on 02/20/2004 1:09:39 PM PST by brushcop (ComCarDiv5--under ADM Thomas Moorer, even if just a short while...)
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