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The FR Range: Debut Weekly Thread for Feb. 19th, 2004
FR's military, sportsmen, and second amendment supporters | 2/19/2004 | Long Cut and risk

Posted on 02/19/2004 11:17:23 PM PST by risk

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To: ExSoldier
A Colt ltwt commander is to heavy and bulky for you?????
101 posted on 02/21/2004 6:48:54 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: ExSoldier
SIG has just introduced their new Granite Series 1911 Clone.......looks really nice and it's a SIG. I'm personally on the outs with SIG over some warranty "PARTS" I'm still waiting on them to mail me after 2 friggin months but the GSR 1911A1 looks really nice.

Have you considered keeping the P10 and having a meltdown job done on it with ultra thin grips from Jerry Barnhardt ? I did such and my P14 feels like a Browning Highpower in size of the grip .

Alledgedly Charter Arms is getting ready to release a "bulldog" in 45 ACP that uses full moon clips. It has a bobbed hammer and I think it either is or has an option for magnaporting. That is my next toy on a long gimmie I want lets get another gun whish list !

Stay Safe !
102 posted on 02/21/2004 7:09:39 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: ExSoldier
What is it about aluminum frames? Thankfully, I don't mind my V-10 so the ports don't bother me and I have the satisfaction of having an all stainless firearm, frame and all. There is one thing. I had to get rid of the cheap rubber grips. The stainless was rusting because the rubber was collecting the salt from my perspiration. If you buy anything, get rid of any grips that have checkering. It saws into your side after awhile under a t-shirt.

When you're carrying a lot, the first thing you find out is the barrel isn't the thing that's sticking out. It's the end of the frame near the mainspring housing. Having a short barrel doesn't help matters.

Having a V-10 also stops me from having three dot trijicons. The flames from the ports killed the dot on the front sight.
103 posted on 02/21/2004 7:31:15 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: risk
Stop by to post anything gun-related!
An old t-shirt of mine

104 posted on 02/21/2004 8:02:26 PM PST by hookman
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To: risk
Okay, that's:

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an00375.gif (dog)

I will place them on my website tonite if they are not already there. Let me know when you have the mod delete this thread and I will delete the other stuff I put on my ISP that's linked here, unless you are going to keep this thread.

105 posted on 02/21/2004 10:10:10 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: risk
Done!
106 posted on 02/21/2004 10:13:48 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound
Whooops! try that again:

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107 posted on 02/21/2004 10:24:31 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: risk
(I originally posted this "rant" on 'that other thread.' On second thought, it might fit here better... ;>)

The Truck Gun

Listen up, folks: everybody needs a truck gun – even if you don’t have a “truck,” and you don’t have a “gun.” A “truck gun” is WHAT you have with you, WHEN you need it. Some folks favor handguns (as did an engineer I worked with, & respected highly). Other folks prefer a shotgun (can’t ague with that - ever). I prefer a rifle, as do many Americans. The rifle is an American tradition: if Daniel Morgan had had a pickup truck available to help him win the American Revolution, you can bet your ‘Lucky Stars’ he would have had a rifle in it – not a handgun or a shotgun.

Now, on the subject of rifles, we must all agree (up front ;>) to disagree. That is simply the nature of life in our American “gun culture.” However - some of my more deluded friends favor the Mauser (and its many offspring ;>). I will admit that the Mauser (in its many permutations) makes a fine “truck gun.” But no matter how you cut it – it’s still a German rifle. Having a German “truck gun” is like having BMW wheels on your pickup. (And as for my ultra-American brothers who favor the ’03 Springfield: it’s still a Mauser. We even sent royalty checks to Germany to pay for our theft – excuse me; ‘unauthorized use’ - of their design… ;>).

And on the subject of cartridges – we must also agree (up front ;>) to disagree. (Of course, any weenie 6.5mm cartridge would have a hard time competing with a versatile, all-around-capable 7.7mm cartridge like the .303 – and besides, the ‘7.7’ is extra-lucky! ;>)

Since I’m in the mood for BBQ (and willing to offer myself up as the main course ;>), allow me to suggest that any version of the Lee magazine rifle is a more appropriate American “truck gun” than any frigging German Mauser. (Piss on the Germans; I may have German ancestry, but I don’t think it shows – much… ;>) James Paris Lee was an American; not by birth, but by choice. I have a copy of his November 4, 1879 United States patent hanging on the wall: “J. Lee, Magazine Fire-Arm, [Patent] No. 221,328.” Any American ‘gun nut’ would recognize the features of the rifle depicted in the patent drawings – it’s a LEE(enfield) by any other name.

Now, in my humble opinion, any LEE(enfield) ever built is as good a combat rifle as any German Mauser – especially if you happen to be an American rifleman. But the best of the Lee rifles (again IMHO ;>) was the No.4: great cartridge, great reliability, great sights, great detachable magazine – a great design.

Not all Americans agree with me on this point – which is why there are so many abused, even mangled, LEE(enfields) available. I swear, some folks must cut the things up just to show their independence! But you can benefit from their pure, ignorant cussedness! Find yourself a good “sporty-ized” LEE(enfield) and make it your “truck gun!” If you help it out, the Lee magazine rifle will definitely help you out! It’s been successful in that business for 125 years!

I found one – some sorry b@st@rd had taken a fine No.4 Mk.1 manufactured at the BSA plant in Shirley in 1942, and chopped the barrel, thrown away many of the metal parts, massacred the wood, and even broken the No.4 safety, replacing it with a No.1 safety - by means of a BRASS WOOD SCREW! (like I said – “pure, ignorant cussedness!” ;>). It was ugly as sin – but I could see the inherent, underlying beauty. A Lee magazine rifle, in the rough!

I took that puppy home with me (after the ignorant have abused them, they are amazingly cheap! You, too, can save! ;>). I replaced the safety with a proper No.4 unit (although it was a Long Branch ‘kicked leg’ safety, rather than a British-manufactured part), trimmed the barrel back to a bit less than 17 inches (beware the federal ‘overall-length’ law), fitted a new front sight assembly (courtesy of Her Britannic Majesty/ Gun Parts Corp./Brownells), a new rear sight (from a No.5 carbine), a new synthetic forearm, refinished the metal – and modified a Choate side-folding stock to fit.

It is now – in my opinion – the ultimate “truck gun:” a folding-stock, 10-round-detachable-mag, ghost-ring-plus-micrometer-adjustable-rear-sight, “Rule .303” American Lee magazine truck rifle.

God bless America, and James Paris Lee!

(Flame away, compadres! ;>)

108 posted on 02/22/2004 12:28:28 AM PST by Who is John Galt? ("Militiamen are terrible when angered and will carry flame & fire to the enemy." - de Guibert, 1771)
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To: Who is John Galt?
Reminds me of a letter to the editor in America's First Freedom. A reader was complaining that vehicle product reviews automatically assumed that no environmental damage was being done by 4wd SUVs and off-roading machines. Besides, what did it have to do with guns, the reader asked?

The response by the editors was pretty much, "Folks, our readers like to drive out into the sticks and shoot at stuff. Deal with it. Besides, hunters are some of the most important conservationists in history, and most are careful with the wildlife when they take it offroad. This here is a shootin' magazine and shooters love their trucks."

I couldn't agree more. Now, what would Kali people react if I mounted a Mini-14 in my rear window?

109 posted on 02/22/2004 6:27:29 AM PST by risk
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