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Fort Bragg soldier flees to Canada [Traitor alert!]
Independent Weekly ^ | February 11, 2004 | Patrick O'Neill

Posted on 02/18/2004 7:10:26 AM PST by Constitution Day

Fort Bragg soldier flees to Canada

Jeremy Hinzman enlisted to make a difference, then learned what being a soldier is really all about

By Patrick O'Neill

(First of Two Parts)

February 11, 2004
NEWS FEATURE

On New Year's Eve, Jeremy Hinzman sat in a McDonald's on N.C. 401 in Fuquay-Varina explaining his precarious situation. On Dec. 20, Hinzman, a U.S. Army specialist stationed at Fort Bragg, got the news he had dreaded. His unit--the 504th Brigade, 2nd Battalion--would be shipping out to Iraq shortly after the new year for an indefinite deployment in the war on terrorism. Last year, Hinzman, 25, the father of a 1-year-old son, was deployed for more than eight months to Afghanistan. When he left, Hinzman's son, Liam, was just 7 months old. When Hinzman returned, Liam was walking and didn't remember his father. While he didn't see any combat in that first deployment, Hinzman said he had a bad feeling about going to Iraq.



Hinzman, his wife, Nga Nguyen, and their son, Liam

In Iraq, Hinzman, said he felt like he would have to do some things he'd regret. During Christmas leave, Hinzman, who is a member of the Fayetteville Friends Meeting, discussed his options with his wife, Nga Nguyen. He could go to Iraq--an option both he and Nguyen rejected. He could refuse the deployment order and face court martial and a likely prison term. Or he could follow a plan of action that thousands of young men like himself had taken during the Vietnam War--he could flee to Canada.

He chose option three. On Jan. 2, Hinzman and his family packed up their small car with a few essentials, leaving almost all of their possessions behind. They left post housing under the cover of darkness for the 17-hour drive to the U.S.-Canadian border. Quakers living in the U.S. made contacts in Ontario, and the family was set up with places to stay until they moved into a Toronto apartment on Feb. 1.

A story in the Feb. 7 edition of the Toronto Globe and Mail, says Hinzman is believed to be the first U.S. soldier to file for refugee status in Canada for refusing duty in Iraq. The report says Hinzman's case is "the first echo of the 12,000 deserters and 20,000 draft resisters who came north more than 30 years ago to escape the Vietnam War."

Before enlisting, Hinzman said he was searching for some meaning in his life, and the military--which had a "higher purpose"--was better than working just for the sake of making a buck. "I guess I just kind of sold my soul for the college money," he said. "That's probably a little too blunt. I had this notion that, "Hey, I'm going to go and get paid to exercise, shoot weapons and jump out of planes,' and that sounded real fun. It didn't matter to me at that point.

"I was just young, and I didn't feel I was really going anywhere."

Hinzman admits he got in over his head. When he joined the Army, he said he was expecting Al Gore to be elected president. The terror attacks of 9-11 were still an unimaginable horror. But the Iraq war forced him to reassess his values.

"It's a political decision, which as a soldier I'm not really entitled to have," he said. "But I feel that if I had gone to Iraq I would be in a sense putting myself into a criminal enterprise and becoming a criminal because it's a war--or an act of aggression. I don't think it can be called a war--based on false pretenses in terms of weapons of mass destruction, the links to al Qaeda and bringing democracy to Iraq.

"Because if democracy was to happen in Iraq, the Shiites would take power, and they would by no means be a friendly government towards the U.S. or its interests. So I don't want to risk my life for that, and I don't think the government should risk the lives of our country's young for that, and also to line the pockets of big corporations. I mean the obvious example is Haliburton.

"It's kind of, to me, messed up to go destroy a country's infrastructure and then have an auction to see who can rebuild it. It just smells bad to me, and I don't want to be part of it, nor do I want to kill people or be some place where I wasn't wanted. There are a lot of governments and leaders in the world that we don't necessarily like, but we're not going there. For example, Zimbabwe--we don't do anything about Robert Mugabe. I mean he's just as bad a tyrant as Saddam Hussein was, but why aren't we there? It's obviously about economics. I don't want to be a pawn in that game."

Hinzman, a native of Rapid City, S.D., admits he was not a typical soldier. A Catholic convert who also follows Buddhist teachings and enjoys the silent worship of Quakers, Hinzman was a military misfit from the get-go. His fellow soldiers were weirded out by his meditation regimen and his choice to not eat meat.

For the most part, Hinzman said he kept his political and moral views to himself, "although I won't deny I was known as the liberal, and this is in a culture where everybody watches Fox News. There aren't very many vegetarians in the Army, so that would open up a whole bag of tricks."

Hinzman's peers would ask a logical question: "Well, if you can't eat an animal or if you can't kill an animal, how can you kill a human?"

"They did ask those kind of questions, and it did raise their eyebrows," Hinzman said. "That's one of the reasons that got me thinking that I was in the wrong place. If you think logically, that makes sense. If you can't kill an animal, how can you kill a human?"

Hinzman also felt uncomfortable with the Army mindset that encouraged misogyny and violence. Particularly, he remembers the indoctrination of the troops during basic training. During exercises, the new recruits would drill using macabre chants.

"When we were marching around chanting songs like, "Train to kill. Kill we will,' or during bayonet training they'd ask, "What makes the grass grow?' and we'd say "Blood, blood, bright red blood.'

"When we would thrust [the bayonet], the drill sergeant would yell that, and we'd have to scream back. People would actually get hoarse yelling this crap. I could never really get into that stuff. Some people ate it up because I think there is an opportunity in groups to kind of let go of your inhibitions and do wanton things...

"It's all presented, at least on the surface, as, "Oh, it's just in humor, and no one's around listening to it,' but I think that really does put that mindset in a soldier that they're killers."

The atmosphere was surreal, he said. "It's what you think about when you think of a dystopian novel, just all these mindless drones walking around, and the sad thing is that they were individuals with thoughts and feelings, and, at least when they're at work, that's lost much of the time."

The military mindset also fosters a rejection of feminist/maternal values, Hinzman said.

"It's a very misogynistic place to be in," he said. "Everyday conversation, it's like a gangsta rap song the way women are referred to by people you would never suspect of talking that way. There is a lot of domestic violence in the Army, and marriages don't work and women are objectified."

The circumstances required enormous self-discipline, Hinzman said. "I would have this constant dialogue with myself," he said, "and sometimes I'd have to force it because when you're around something enough, when you're in an environment enough, you do tend to become a product of that environment.

"Like for instance, I swore all the time, and I would have to make these resolutions that I'm not going to swear because that's the first step on the road to losing yourself; your autonomy. It's almost expected that you're going to refer to women and the enemy in negative terms, objectifying the people you fight against so they no longer have humanity. I had to bite my tongue constantly."

While he would occasionally have meaningful conversations with his peers, for the most part, Hinzman kept to himself.

"When you're at work you put on your game face, especially as a lower enlisted person," he said. "You don't really talk about the moral ramifications of what you're doing. Everyday discussion is kind of stultified."

In Part 2 of this report, Hinzman tells about his failed effort to be placed in a noncombat assignment as a conscientious objector, and what the future looks like for him and his family in Canada.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; US: North Carolina; US: South Dakota; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: answer; buddhist; communistagenda; deserter; northcarolina; oldnorthstate; southdakota; traitor; unhelpful; upj; vegetarian; weenie
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To: retrokitten
He was a very good soldier. But he doesn't want to kill.

Does not compute.

141 posted on 02/18/2004 9:17:56 AM PST by Carolinamom
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To: Kenton
Looks like Kerry lost another vote...

ROFL

142 posted on 02/18/2004 9:22:40 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: realpatriot71
"My question was could you ever concieve of a time where such actions would be appropriate on the part of the soldier as being more patriotic than fighting an "evil" war (again - not saying that is the case here)."

I would have to say that I could only agree if the soldier stood on the courage of his convictions and faced the retribution and punishment that was to follow. Running away doesn't ever show courage. If he had refused to get on the plane, if he had deployed but then .. as another poster suggested .. refuse to carry a weapon, if he had gotten his elected representatives involved, the Army may have decided he wasn't worth the effort, hammered him with a couple of non-judicial punishment records, and given him a general discharge for unfitness to perform military duties.

I am a military retiree and a DA civilian ... I collect all my livelihood from Uncle Sam. Should a second "Civil War" erupt for one reason or another I'm going to have to choose sides. But I will do so with my eyes wide open, knowing what might happen should I decide that my beliefs require me to bite the hand that feeds me.

143 posted on 02/18/2004 9:23:36 AM PST by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
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To: realpatriot71
I guess my question was, is it EVER concieveable that a political motivation is TOO much to ask a soldier to die?

If that possibility even crosses your mind at any point prior to enlisting, DO NOT ENLIST.

Political decisions are NOT in the soldier's purview.

144 posted on 02/18/2004 9:26:09 AM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Constitution Day
"That's one of the reasons that got me thinking that I was in the wrong place. If you think logically, that makes sense. If you can't kill an animal, how can you kill a human?"

Well, hey? Is it still an all volunteer army? Yeah, I thought so.

145 posted on 02/18/2004 9:30:39 AM PST by My back yard (The world is changed; I can feel it in the water, in the earth, I can smell it in the air.)
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To: Constitution Day
Jeremy Hinzman enlisted to make a difference, then learned what being a soldier is really all about

No, he sold his soul for the college money, as he said.

This guys needed a job. and got one with the Armed Forces. Let him stay in Canada.

146 posted on 02/18/2004 9:33:19 AM PST by My back yard (The world is changed; I can feel it in the water, in the earth, I can smell it in the air.)
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To: Carolinamom
Does not compute.

For me either.

147 posted on 02/18/2004 9:36:28 AM PST by retrokitten (If by 'wanking' you mean educational fun, then let's get wanking! -Principal Skinner)
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To: BlueLancer
I would have to say that I could only agree if the soldier stood on the courage of his convictions and faced the retribution and punishment that was to follow. Running away doesn't ever show courage. If he had refused to get on the plane, if he had deployed but then .. as another poster suggested .. refuse to carry a weapon, if he had gotten his elected representatives involved, the Army may have decided he wasn't worth the effort, hammered him with a couple of non-judicial punishment records, and given him a general discharge for unfitness to perform military duties.

Good points.

148 posted on 02/18/2004 9:41:19 AM PST by realpatriot71 ("But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise . . ." (I Cor. 1:27))
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To: Poohbah
"War is politics by other means."

Yes, that is true. But the soldier should never be involved in the politics of the battle. Otherwise, he risks meeting at the front line with an unloaded gun.
149 posted on 02/18/2004 9:44:00 AM PST by My back yard (The world is changed; I can feel it in the water, in the earth, I can smell it in the air.)
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To: Poohbah
If that possibility even crosses your mind at any point prior to enlisting, DO NOT ENLIST. Political decisions are NOT in the soldier's purview.

I suppose all things being equal a man could enlist, and, while in service, the country could change philosophically. It's a possibility. I do not know what a soldier is to do then. However, bluelancer made some good points. This guy might have a moral legal to stand on if he'd stayed to face the music of his decision instead of running away.

150 posted on 02/18/2004 9:44:37 AM PST by realpatriot71 ("But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise . . ." (I Cor. 1:27))
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To: My back yard
Exactly my point: the decision to go to war--or to not go to war--is a political one, not a military one.
151 posted on 02/18/2004 9:45:02 AM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: realpatriot71
I suppose all things being equal a man could enlist, and, while in service, the country could change philosophically. It's a possibility. I do not know what a soldier is to do then.

We used to say that "USMC" stood for "U Signed the Motherf***ing Contract."

152 posted on 02/18/2004 9:46:00 AM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: ohioWfan
Thought this article would be a sharp contrast to your son, ohio.

Thank you to Eric for his devotion to our great country and the freedom we hold dear but too often take for granted.

153 posted on 02/18/2004 9:48:33 AM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: Constitution Day

154 posted on 02/18/2004 9:51:33 AM PST by Jackie-O
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To: Constitution Day
I have no problem with him going to Canada.

I just hope he STAYS there.

155 posted on 02/18/2004 9:55:14 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("You know it don't come easy, the road of the gypsy" - Iron Eagle)
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To: 2banana
They don't deserve the appellation of American! Rescind their citizenships...if they won't fight for freedom they aren't worthy of being a citizens of this country. Freedom isn't free...anywhere or anytime; it takes brave people to maintain it.
156 posted on 02/18/2004 9:58:02 AM PST by yoe (WMD come in small containers/vials...small minds don't want you to know that.)
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To: Constitution Day
He's a pacifist? I thought that pacifists didn't join the military, that it was against their belief system?
157 posted on 02/18/2004 9:58:45 AM PST by dixie sass
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To: Leatherneck_MT
Funny/Sad story. When I was in college a friend of mine wanted to enroll in the ROTC course just to get the wilderness training, etc. He had no desire to become military.

When he got to the part on the form about drugs, he asked me whether he should answer honestly. I said no, because he was just going for some training, not enlisting, don't risk having a permanent file on record.

Well, he answered truthfully, and in the interview the subject was brought up -- ha had been very honest, ha ha ha.

The officer asked what the deal was and they had a brief discussion. The nub of it:

Officer: "This is quite a list."

Friend: "Um, yeah."

Officer: "Look, are you a pacifist?"

Friend: "No, absolutely not."

Officer: "OK, we just don't want pacifists."

Sounds like no one asked this guy if he was a pacifist.

158 posted on 02/18/2004 10:01:20 AM PST by Gothmog (The 2004 election won't be about what one did in the military, but on how one would use it)
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To: Constitution Day
Hinzman, a native of Rapid City, S.D., admits he was not a typical soldier. A Catholic convert who also follows Buddhist teachings and enjoys the silent worship of Quakers, Hinzman was a military misfit from the get-go. His fellow soldiers were weirded out by his meditation regimen and his choice to not eat meat.

This guy is right out of the phych books.

What-a-mess!

159 posted on 02/18/2004 10:08:25 AM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: dixie sass
One of my dad's friends was an conscientious observor during Nam. He was a medic.
160 posted on 02/18/2004 10:12:53 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("You know it don't come easy, the road of the gypsy" - Iron Eagle)
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