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Laws Be Damned
NewsMax ^ | 17 February 2004 | Al Rantel

Posted on 02/17/2004 10:35:30 AM PST by 45Auto

There is a new political development in America that should frighten every law abiding citizen in this country. That is the growing disregard for people who follow the law and play by the rules, and the rewarding of those who do not.

Where I live in California we have two concurrent stories going on that demonstrate clearly what is at issue. The first one involves the Mayor of San Francisco who, though sworn to uphold the laws and the Constitution of California in his just taken oath of office, now allows and instructs city government to break those laws.

Under California’s penal code, he might very well be committing a felony. Mayor Newsome has decided that he doesn’t like California’s law that says marriage is only between one man and one woman and so he orders marriage licenses to be issued to hundreds of gay couples waiting in line at city hall.

The public and the law be damned, the Mayor will do what he wants. Meantime, Governor Arnold Schwartzenegger has a “no comment” for the media when asked about it, and the State’s Attorney General musters a statement that no one has asked him to issue a legal opinion. Are they serious?

Imagine for a moment if some local public official starting giving out gun licenses en masse because he did not like California’s oppressive anti-gun laws? The entire weight of the media elite and the state would be down upon his head. The irony is there is in fact a right to bear arms as stated in the now ignored second amendment to the Unites States Constitution. There is no right to get married.

The second example is the newest move in California only weeks after a similar law was repealed due to huge public opposition to allow those people in this country illegally to obtain California drivers licenses. The Governor now says he is close to a deal with the state’s liberal Democrats that run the legislature to bring back the idea with a few new safeguards like background checks.

Yes, background checks for people who are already living outside the law and who as illegals are notorious for having more false documents than Saddam Hussein’s weapons manufacturers. Those who have chosen to ignore and outright violate the nation’s laws on how one enters into this country would be rewarded with the most important piece of state documentation, the drivers license. As we all know, this photo identification in a country that does not have a national ID card is used even to enter the country when you come from places like Mexico or Canada, but is also used as ID to board commercial aircraft.

So here we are living in a country that stands for the rule of law and not the rule of a single individual or group of individuals, and those who choose to break the law are not only allowed to keep on doing so but in the case of the drivers license controversy, they are given a reward for thumbing their noses at the rest of us.

What will happen to our society when people begin to ask what law they can break that they don’t like? What will happen to our society when it finally becomes clear to law abiding citizens that those who do not obey the laws are not only not worse off than they, but in some ways are better off?

Just think, in the nation’s most populous state today, you can get an illegal marriage license and soon be illegal and get a drivers license. Not only will public officials not stop you, but they will even help you to break the rules. Even the tough guy Governor will not be able to muster a comment when he used to talk for living.

America has never been on such a morally ambiguous path, but no intelligent person can really believe all of this can make our country better, safer, or stronger as a nation. And we embark on this road at our own peril.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: alrantel; law; lawbreakers; samesexmarriage; sf; stunt; theruleoflaw
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To: webwizard
No, the Supreme Court has a frieze of Moses holding a tablet with the numbers I thru X on it. No Ten Commandments per se.

Oh, right. Those might not be The Ten Commandments after all! Maybe they're just Moses' list of coupons from the Kroger flyer!

Oh, well, I guess we'll never know for sure...

61 posted on 02/17/2004 8:23:06 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: raybbr
People have been breaking traffic laws with total disregard for the law

That's because most of the traffic laws have little to do with public safety, and everything to do with raising revenue for the state.

62 posted on 02/17/2004 8:25:02 PM PST by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: Mulder
Another side effect of treating law lightly is the accumulation of vast reams of legislation that not even an expert can hope to keep up with, let alone the John Q. Public whose conduct they are supposed to constrain.
63 posted on 02/17/2004 8:27:32 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Modernman; thoughtomator
Not according to the branch of government that has the power to interpret the Constitution. You don't get to make independent decisions as to what court orders need to be followed.

Let's not split hairs, shall we? After all, there's also a SC decision that says that a law that's wrong is null and void as of its inception. Was slavery "right" simply because it was "legal" for a time?

We all know what's going on, and it's not productive to play the other side's game by splitting legal hairs. The latest, in case you haven't heard, is that the judge threw out the petition, because -- are you sitting down? -- ONE colon was misplaced. No, he didn't scratch it out and pencil in a correction, or have the petitioner correct it. He tabled it and tossed 'em out of court.

The fix is in. There's an agenda at play, and it will not let silly little things like "right and wrong" or "the rule of law" get in its way. Like the Saudi "Religious Police" who refused to allow those poor schoolgirls to save their lives -- and kept them trapped in that burning building, because they weren't wearing the correct headscarves, these scoundrels are likewise doing a picture-perfect job of straining at a gnat while swallowing a camel.

64 posted on 02/17/2004 8:28:14 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Don Joe
Or, straining "out" a gnat (apropos either way)
65 posted on 02/17/2004 8:29:31 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Esther Ruth
I'm just into bottom lines! What is it! What to do!

Well, since you asked, here it is: Batten the hatches. Tighten your seatbelt. Bumpy ride ahead. The country is undergoing... a collapse.

Like Germany in '39, or Rome before The Fall, many people are in shock, shaking their heads in disbelief, telling themselves that "it can't happen here."

Well, I'm telling you that it can.

I'm telling you that it is.

66 posted on 02/17/2004 8:31:41 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Modernman; thoughtomator
What kind of rule do you propose when it comes to picking and choosing which court orders to follow? Under what circumstances can a government official or private citizen decide to ignore a court order?

I would say that there is no way that you could come up with a system where court orders could be ignored without the entire system dissolving into anarchy.

Be careful. You are treading perilously close to, "I was only following orders."

Seriously.

67 posted on 02/17/2004 8:33:40 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: OPS4
Citizens arrest with about 200 freepers arm and arm marching this idiot to the Jail.

They'd like nothing better than for someone to attempt something like that.

If they're going to start a civil war, it stands to reason that their best tactical move would be to provoke the other side into firing the first shot.

Don't let 'em use you like that.

68 posted on 02/17/2004 8:35:37 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Don Joe
Except we probably won't even get a Fuehrer to try to set things straight, however warpedly. The country will simply collapse in a whimper.
69 posted on 02/17/2004 8:37:09 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Modernman
I have to ask the question again: How do you propose that we go about determining when fundamental rights have been unlawfully infringed upon? (and remember, no right, not even fundamental rights, are absolute) There needs to be a mechanism that is better than "everyone gets to decide for themselves." If you can think of any system other than an independent judiciary (which, granted, makes mistakes sometimes)which balances all of the competing factors.....

As one of the founders pointed out, laws are not written for the decent people. If everyone was decent, we wouldn't need laws. We have laws because we have criminals, basically. Laws are simply a way of putting down on paper the sort of behavior that a civilized society cannot endure.

That, at least, is what the founders intended.

Now, when the laws veer from that standard, and those who decide the law and enforce the law become corrupt, chaos ensues.

70 posted on 02/17/2004 8:40:39 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: 45Auto
Our Constitutional Republic, with a government that recognizes individual Rights, is nearly dead. Consider the following:

The Right to keep and bear arms is now considered a "priviledge" in the overwhelming majority of the United States.

The Right to Free speech is no longer recognized by the federal gov't, since CFR was enacted. And the Right to Free speech is non-existent in corporate America, who has been empowered by the same gov't.

The Right to travel is now a "priviledge" thanks to what passes as "airport security".

The gov't does not recognize a Right to a speedy jury trial.

The gov't does not recongnize your Right to a fair trial with a jury of your peers that judges not only the facts, but also the law.

The gov't routinely imposes cruel and unusual punishments for victimless crimes.

You're "allowed" to own property, but only so long as you pay an annual tax on it. And only so long as some wealthy environmentalist or meddling bureaucrat doesn't want it.

The Right to privacy and the Right to be left alone are now non-existent in our new "information/surveillance" society.

And I could go on and on and on....

Everything that this country was founded upon is being systematically destroyed, while those things that are destructive to a culture and nation are being built up.

71 posted on 02/17/2004 8:40:55 PM PST by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
When the house cards finally started to fall, the U.S.S.R. collapsed in 3 days.
72 posted on 02/17/2004 8:41:36 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: 45Auto
Certainly the Cal SC and the infamous 9th Circuit will rule that it is perfectly O.K. to endorse gay marriage.

I wouldn't be surprised if they simply refuse to accept the case.

73 posted on 02/17/2004 8:41:46 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Another side effect of treating law lightly is the accumulation of vast reams of legislation that not even an expert can hope to keep up with, let alone the John Q. Public whose conduct they are supposed to constrain.

Because of this complexity, everyone is now essentially a "criminal".

So instead of enforcing laws, the government simply decides who to go after, and they use this web of edicts to get them.

The primary result of this is that the "troublemakers" can be easily rounded up and dealt with.

A secondary result, is that many people are afraid to speak out against the system, because they don't want it to come down on them.

74 posted on 02/17/2004 8:43:59 PM PST by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: thoughtomator
I propose that the judiciary follow the law, as is the duty with which it is charged.

Bingo. It's not like this is an emergency situation; this is not a crisis that demands disobedience to the law (i.e., some out of control legislature passes a law that demands that all left-handed people be arrested, and if convicted, shot the next dawn.)

Common sense dictates that even if they truly believe that the law is wrong, they should adhere to due process, rather than act on their own.

But personally, I don't think it's even a question of them "believing that the law is wrong" -- or right. They simply see an opportunity to grasp power, unopposed, and they're doing it. This is maoism, not a republic.

75 posted on 02/17/2004 8:44:54 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: tpaine
The top cop was issuing concealed carry permits, and raking in a small [legal] fortune for the city before they stopped him with political/media pressure..

And did the streets run red with blood? Were there shootouts at every fender-bender?

I didn't think so.

76 posted on 02/17/2004 8:46:09 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I think different translations phrase it both ways. Same concept. The Pharisees were obsessed with the minutia of the law, but their lives were a living expression of violation of the purpose of the law. Thus, "the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." They obey the letter of the law, but make a mockery of the spirit of the law. In another passage, they are chided by being told that their sin isn't their blindness, but rather, being blind, insisting that they see, and leading others astray.

Remarkable parallels to what's happening in this situation, IMO.

77 posted on 02/17/2004 8:51:05 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Don Joe
Technically the court can take its sweet time since all these "marriages" will end up being voided. But not until the Rat-dominated CA legislature can pass a gay marriage law by a margin that would override Arnold's veto.
78 posted on 02/17/2004 8:51:07 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Except we probably won't even get a Fuehrer to try to set things straight, however warpedly. The country will simply collapse in a whimper.

But then come the "external" adversaries, who'll see easy pickins'. We're following the Rome model. Fall, then get picked to pieces. That's why I suggest people watch "The Postman."

79 posted on 02/17/2004 8:52:45 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Don Joe
If'n the terrorists were really clever, they'd knock off all the hijacking and nuclear plant bombing and anthrax plans, and simply start politicking their backsides off for every single cause and party that undermines America. Who needs more 9/11s when you can have Rats and RINOs.
80 posted on 02/17/2004 8:55:22 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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