Rush has finally focused on the Kosovo problem

Andy from Beaverton | 02/17/04 | Andy from Beaverton

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Of course Turkey is a muslim country since they butchered millions of Christians in order to "purify" it.>>>

Well, yes, but only after the Christian Greeks on the Turkish mainland unnecessarily tried to conquer 2/3 of Asia Minor to reestablish a Greek empire in Anatolia in 1919-1923.

Turkey fought against the allies in WWI >>>

After Winston Churchill, in a blunder of cosmic proportions, unnecessarily provoked the Turks into joining the Axis by stealing two battleships that the Turks had paid for and were about to take delivery on. (That was one of Winston's worse days.)

and stayed out of WWII but really helped the axis.>>>

See above. The Brits and French dismembered the unlamented but still late Turkish empire in the Middle East after WW1, so the Turks didn't really have any reason to help them out in return when Germany resumed the war in '39.

Turks were on the side of the US post 1945 only because of the big bad Soviets in the north.>>>

Maybe. But a secular Turkey is still America's friend far more than the alternative.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Sorry, forget it. Its all of a piece. Bosnia, Kosovo, both regions of the former Yugoslavia that Serbia tried to commit genocide in (successfully in Bosnia, less so in Kosovo). You cannot separate them. (Particularly when most of the people who post here can't tell the difference anyway.)

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Anyone who supported it, funded it or signed off on it can now go clean it up.>>

Been there, done that, for several years. I'm back home, now, thank you very much.

[eleni121]

Your muslim friendly para history is off by a mile. Your attitude as evidenced by your narrowly understood history of the balkans tells me that you are not much more aware about the brutal history of muslim Turkey either.

Greeks entered the Ottoman mainland where their countrymen who had lived there for thousands of years were being savagely killed. Unfortunately, the great powers US, France Britain) backed out of the plan to assist the Greeks to get back what is theirs. The Christian Armenians and Assyrians had already been wiped out in Asia Minor by the heinous genocide of the Muslim Turks by then.

Turkey aided the Germans in WWI and as losers had no right to keep territory that was not theirs in the first place!

The Germans and Turks have had quite the sordid relationship going back to the fall of Constantinople. They fought with the Germans in WWI and officially remained neutral in WWII but of course as anyone knows aided and abetted the Nazis in their filthy work in the balkans.

[wonders]

I've ignored your tendentious posts for a long, long time, Jones. But, for the record, as an American, I'm ashamed of you. With your Nazi this and genocide that, you are part of the problem, not the solution. You have lowered yourself to the lowest levels of nationalism to be found in the Balkans (and that's saying a lot!).

I prefer the word "genocide" to be properly used, as in WWII and Rwanda. To bandy it about as you do cheapens the word and demeans the victims of true genocide. Secondly, I detest the "nazi" word being bandied about as you do. Same reasons.

All of the so-called points you made ref National Socialism can be pinned on all parties to the conflict, not just the Serbs.

BTW, I was there for years DURING the war.

[Andy from Beaverton]

Bosnia, Kosovo, both regions of the former Yugoslavia that Serbia tried to commit genocide in (successfully in Bosnia, less so in Kosovo).
You are so foolish, it makes us all sad. For the last time, can you please show us the mass graves in Kosovo? Since the deployment of KFOR and UNMIK in Kosovo and Metohija on June 10, 1999 to August 9 of this year 6,535 attacks have been reported. In those attacks 1,201 people have died, 1,328 have been injured and 1,146 people have just "disappeared". Most of the victims have been Serbs and Montenegrins and these attacks have gone on right under the noses of U.N. 'Peacekeepers'. They continue on a daily basis. Who are the real terrorist in this region?

You cannot separate them.
Your inability to separate them show us all why you don't understand what is going on here. I guess we can now add your name with the likes of Fusion, A(lbanian)Brit and Bluester. It's fun to push the buttons on those ignorant posters. I guess your next!

[Dave S]

Name me one Serb who has harmed or threatened to harm you or another American.

In case you've forgotten. We were at war with that friendly little hamlet during the late 90's. They shot at our planes and were successful in shooting at least one of them down.

[A. Pole]

Rush never has said that we had chosen the wrong side, I did. I would like for him to say so.

Michael Savage did it many times.

[Dave S]

They've given the world many great scientists, inventors, athletes, and more.

So what? The same country that gave us Bach, Wagner, Goethe, and Neitzche also gave us Hitler.

[joan]

But Germany is not called the "armpit of the world" and Hitler actually came from Austria.

Furthermore, Hitler was attacking and/or invading country after country after country etc. The Yugoslavian wars were contained WITHIN the borders of the former Yugoslavia.

The numbers who died in WWII was HUNDREDS of times the Yugoslav civil wars.

Did Yugoslavia invade Greece? NO. Did it invade Romania? NO. Did it invade Bulgaria? NO. Did it invade Hungary? NO.

You can't compare a very contained civil war in selected parts of Yugoslavia with the ambitious aggression and plans of Hitler.

[MadelineZapeezda]

Name me one Serb who has harmed or threatened to harm you or another American.

In case you've forgotten. We were at war with that friendly little hamlet during the late 90's. They shot at our planes and were successful in shooting at least one of them down.

No, I haven't forgotten. Muslims in Bosna killed my husbands aunt while my relatives hid in cellars to escape the bombing of Belgrade during Klinton's illegal and immoral war. Same question should have been asked then. No, repeat, no American was ever threatened.

Sure, they defended their country. History can show you that American airmen had a special place in their heart for the Serb people who rescued them from behind enemy lines . Read about the The Halyard Mission .You might learn something.

[Dave S]

The Yugoslavian wars were contained WITHIN the borders of the former Yugoslavia

Yugoslavia didnt exist until Tito put it together after World War II.

[joan]

Formed in the aftermath of WWI, Yugoslavia was founded as the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes ("three tribes of the same people").

[Dave S]

You can't compare a very contained civil war in selected parts of Yugoslavia with the ambitious aggression and plans of Hitler.

I can if I want to... but you miss the point. Saying that a country is responsible for the birth of a bunch of scientists and athletes is meaningless. My post showed that Germany was responsible for much of Europes high culture but it also produced Hitler.

[MadelineZapeezda]

He had better be careful. Dole and a bunch of other Pubs were all for the bombings in Kosovo.

Only those Pubs who were on the dole of the albanian issues caucasand Joe DiGuardi who wanted to be ambassador to the New Greater Albania. They shelled out big pizza money to all of their campaigns.

[ValerieUSA]

You said nothing good ever came from there - she disagreed and made a point, and now you're just being argumentative and obtuse. You didn't have a point, it's time to accept it and move on...

[Dave S]

You said nothing good ever came from there - she disagreed and made a point, and now you're just being argumentative and obtuse. You didn't have a point, it's time to accept it and move on...

Why dont you take a flying Serbian xxx?

[Dave S]

Excuse my rudeness and I havent even had a drop to drink. Sorry. Maybe I better go.

[Andy from Beaverton]

Name me one Serb who has harmed or threatened to harm you or another American.

In case you've forgotten. We were at war with that friendly little hamlet during the late 90's. They shot at our planes and were successful in shooting at least one of them down.

Come on Dave, that was a stupid reply. Of course they did, it was war. Did you expect them not to shoot as us? How stupid. The question was did any Serb ever do anything against us when not in time of war? Besides shooting down one F-117, they put holes in two others. According to Newsweek, we only destroyed about a tenth of the tanks that Clark claimed we destroyed.

[Andy from Beaverton]

Savage and Medved are the only national hosts to say we chose the wrong side. It's hard to ever find fault in anything Medved says. I've tried...