[RogerFGay]

I didn't think Tim Allen and Ray Romano were bad fathers. They are just more "traditional" in that they leave the housework to mom. Many working girl journalists today might not prefer that arrangement, but it doesn't mean that the men are bad.

[Blood of Tyrants]

Romano's character is an idiot. Tim Allen's character was just dangerous around tools. (It didn't help that his wife was leaning way left.)

[RunningJoke]

My point about Ray and Tim was that they are sitcom formulaic humor, if you enjoy that, good for you.

Since, I've only watched both shows less than five episodes each, I have a restricted sampling on their fatherly skills. The jokes are unfunny the plots are transparent. I'd rather read a book.