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Father's role affects how teens approach relationships
CanWest News Service ^ | February 16, 2004 | DOUG FISCHER

Posted on 02/17/2004 5:20:41 AM PST by RogerFGay


Dad, it's time to talk dating

Father's role affects how teens approach relationships: study
 
DOUG FISCHER
CanWest News Service

Monday, February 16, 2004

I was 14 or 15 when real girls, not just the calendar pinups in my grandfather's work shed, began to agitate me so obviously my dad decided we needed to talk.

It's a safe bet my mother had told him our little chat should include details about sex, because when I assured him I already knew that stuff from school (and the schoolyard), the look on his face relaxed from horror into a mere grimace.

So, instead, he plunged determinedly into territory where he felt at ease, and where, as it turned out, he was an expert: how to treat girls.

Your guy friends, he said, expect to be jostled and poked and humiliated. How else can a fellow know his friends like him?

Girls, on the other hand, require kindness and respect. Sure, they want you to be strong and opinionated and funny, he said, maybe even a bit reckless. In fact, they expect it -- they've seen their own fathers in action. But girls also want you to show a soft side, that you care about their interests and feelings.

It was good advice, and about to get even better. Although girls rarely show it, he continued, they are torn up by all the same dating worries as guys: Will he like my clothes, my taste in music, my hair, my parents, the way I kiss?

Not that I believed a word of that last part. As a young teen I'd seen enough of girls, especially in packs, to know they were as insecure as that killer Uma Thurman plays in Kill Bill. And about as accessible. Forty years later, though, I know he was right.

Memories of that fatherly chat came to mind recently when I read about a North American study of teen dating behaviour in a U.S. medical journal. A survey of 3,500 teenagers revealed that one in five girls was physically or sexually abused by a date sometime in the previous year. That's nearly twice the rate of the 1970s and, according to the study's authors, linked in part to a decrease in the involvement of fathers in their children's activities.

"A majority of teens who reported ... difficulties in their dating life also reported that their fathers weren't there to offer advice or support," says Brian Goonan, a Boston public health psychologist involved in the study.

When taken separately, teenage boys whose fathers played a smaller role in their lives turned out to be more aggressive and less able to express feelings, the study showed. And without fatherly guidance, girls were more likely to pick creepy boys.

The reasons for the drop in male involvement are plentiful and complex, and no one is quite sure how the trend has influenced the rise in troublesome dating.

AWe do know that over the past 30 years, the number of children being raised by a single parent, mostly women, has tripled. And although schools have picked up some of the slack, we know lower church attendance means fewer teens are attending religious study classes where dating is - or, at least, was once - a regular discussion topic.

At the same time, more teens are taking their relationship cues from TV, movies and video games, where abnormal behaviour is regular fare, and often glamorized.

TV has also provided poor role models for fathers themselves. If you buy the argument that TV dads have been the most influential agent of paternal culture over the past 50 years, it's little wonder even more fathers haven't turned out to be ineffective, hapless idiots like the Tim Allen character on Home Improvement or Ray Romano on Everybody Loves Raymond.

According to the study, daughters tend to get advice from their fathers about dating more often than sons. The study found that while nearly one-quarter of fathers insisted they meet potential suitors before allowing them to escort their daughters, fewer than 10 per cent of boys said their fathers even asked about their dates.

Sometimes, fathers were a bit overprotective toward their daughters. In one case cited by the study, a Texas father - a 6-6, 300-pound former pro football lineman - invited every Tom, Dick and Jason over for a family dinner.

Later, he took each boy to his den for a Meet the Parents-type grilling where he asked the young man whether he was a virgin, where he was taking his daughter and with whom, about his driving record and condition of his car, the name of his insurance carrier, the church he attended, his Boy Scout rank, his marks in school and, most crucially, what the word "no" meant to him.

Another girl said that before every date, her father would get out his shotgun and cleaning apparatus and sit in the living room silently oiling his gun - in his undershirt - while the poor schmuck waited inside the front door for her to put on her makeup.

It's hardly a surprise these approaches turned off more than a few suitors. Still, while the screening annoyed the girls at first, as time went on several reported they felt most comfortable around boys who had passed their fathers' stern tests.

"Sure, some of this stuff is over the top," says Goonan, "but you can understand why it happens. Every father was once a teenage boy with raging hormones and wild ideas."

If memories of their own adolescent impulses are enough reason for fathers to counsel daughters, they make an even better reason to talk to sons, says David Krueger, a Toronto psychologist who specializes in teen angst.

His practice suggests sons whose fathers have discussed "dating protocol" with them generally experience more rewarding relationships with girls than those who stumble blindly through the early stages of dating.

Obviously, mothers also need to talk to their sons about dating and sex. But research suggests the message carries more impact when it comes from a man, even when he isn't the father.

"I can't even pretend to understand the pressures of being a boy on a date," one mother told a Philadelphia newspaper. "My boys need a man's touch."

Someone like my dad.

Ottawa Citizen



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To: martin_fierro
There is nothing wrong with cleaning the shotgun when some horny prick is slobbering all over himself to take out a daughter. Heck, if Mr. M isn't in the cleaning mood, I'll clean mine, or better yet have the date-ee clean hers! Nothing wrong in sharpening the cutlery during dinner as I pointedly remind him I have access to the grade book and the power to see he warms the bench on Friday, bahaahaa.
21 posted on 02/17/2004 7:18:03 AM PST by mtbopfuyn
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To: RogerFGay
Daddy's Ten Rules Of Dating

Rule One: If you pull into my driveway and honk the horn, you'd better be delivering a package - because you're sure not picking anything (or anyone) up!

Rule Two: You do not touch my daughter in front of me. You may glance at her so long as you do not peer at anything below her neck. If you cannot keep your eyes or hands off my daughter's body, I will remove them.

Rule Three: I am aware that it is considered fashionable for boys your age to wear their trousers so loose that they appear to be falling off their hips. Please don't take this as an insult, but you and all of your friends are complete idiots. Still, I want to be fair and open-minded about this issue, so I propose this compromise: You may come to the door with your underwear showing and your pants ten sizes too big, and I will not object. However, in order to ensure that your clothes do not, in fact, come off during the course of your date with my daughter, I will take my electric nail gun and fasten your trousers securely in place.

Rule Four: I'm sure you've been told that in today's world, having sex without using a "barrier method" of some kind can kill you. Let me elaborate: when it comes to sex with my daughter, I am the barrier and I am the one who will do the killing.

Rule Five: It is generally understood that in order for us to know each other, we should talk about sports, politics, and other issues of the day. Please do not do this. The only information I require from you is an indication of when you expect to have my daughter safely back at my house, and the only answer I need from you on this subject is "Early".

Rule Six: I have no doubt that you are a popular fellow with many opportunities to date other girls. This is fine with me as long as it is okay with my daughter. Otherwise, once you have gone out with my little girl, you will continue to date no one but her until she is finished with you. If you make her cry, I will make you cry.

Rule Seven: As you stand in my front hallway waiting for my daughter to appear, even if more than an hour goes by, do not sigh and fidget. If you want to be on time for the movie, you should not be dating. My daughter is putting on her makeup, a process that can take longer than painting the Golden Gate Bridge. Instead of just standing there, why don't you do something useful like changing the oil in my car or mowing my lawn?

Rule Eight: The following locations are not appropriate for a date with my daughter: Places were there are beds, sofas, or anything softer than a wooden stool. Places where there is darkness. Places where there is dancing, holding hands, or happiness. Places where the ambient temperature is warm enough to induce my daughter to wear shorts, tank tops, midriff t-shirts or anything other than overalls, a sweater, and a goose down parka zipped up to her throat. Movies with strong romantic or sexual themes are to be avoided; movies which feature chainsaws are okay. Hockey games are okay. Old folks' homes are better.

Rule Nine: Do not lie to me. I may appear to be a potbellied, balding, middle-aged, dim witted has-been. But on issues relating to my daughter, I am the all-knowing, merciless God of your universe. If I ask you where you are going and with whom, you have one chance to tell me the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I have a shotgun (see photo above), a shovel, and five acres behind the house. Do not trifle with me. (Rest easy...you wouldn't be the first!)

Rule Ten: Be afraid, Be very afraid. The voices in my head frequently tell me to clean the guns as I wait for you to bring my daughter home. As soon as you pull into the driveway you should exit the car with both hands in plain sight. Speak the perimeter password, announce in a clear voice that you have brought my daughter home safely and early, then return to your car. There is no need for you to come inside. The camouflaged face at the window is mine.
22 posted on 02/17/2004 7:32:37 AM PST by optimistically_conservative (This tagline recently seen at Taglinus FreeRepublicus)
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To: mtbopfuyn
huh?
23 posted on 02/17/2004 7:34:23 AM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is .)
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To: RogerFGay
Thanks for the ping. The replies on this thread are hysterical!

I remember when I started dating in high school. The boy had to come into the house and introduce himself to my parents. Unfortunately, my mom would grill them about their religious beliefs. Needless to say, I wasn't asked out again very often.

I'm worried about my 16 yr old son. He's one of those "bad boys" that the girls like :-( He gets embarassed, like his older sisters did, when I discuss the "birds and the bees". Because I know this is too important to skip, I make him listen to me. What caught his attention was when I told him that all it takes is one broken condom. The government then owns your ass. It's called child support and arrearages. Stay away from the girls who give it up too easy. They have emotional problems. Be their friend, but don't hook up with them. I've tried to teach him the fine points of etiquette, but trying to keep him in school takes up most of my time.
24 posted on 02/17/2004 7:57:58 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Until Kofi Annan rides the Jerusalem RTD....nothing will change.)
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To: RogerFGay
It's almost too obvious that the role of men (fathers) is very important to the emotional development of both young men & women. And yet we have been marginalized almost to the point of extinction over the years. There will be a price to pay, and the piper might even be at the front door as we speak.
25 posted on 02/17/2004 8:07:32 AM PST by familyofman
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To: RogerFGay
"A majority of teens who reported ... difficulties in their dating life also reported that their fathers weren't there to offer advice or support," says Brian Goonan, a Boston public health psychologist involved in the study.

It doesn't hurt to be reminded of the obvious.

27 posted on 02/17/2004 8:26:15 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: martin_fierro; secret garden
you post a pic of xspup and don't ping me ; ) ?
28 posted on 02/17/2004 8:45:31 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: mtbopfuyn
You have got to be kidding. I spent years in SA and never heard of this type of abuse being passed off as tradition.
29 posted on 02/17/2004 8:49:12 AM PST by secret garden (Go Predators! Go Spurs!)
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To: optimistically_conservative
Gotta save these. Gonna need 'em in a few years. shudder

Best Regards

Sergio
30 posted on 02/17/2004 8:57:12 AM PST by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: martin_fierro
On our first date (watching a movie at my parents' home), my fiance met my parents. Although my dad didn't give a grilling or clean a shotgun, he did drop a line about my "Uncles Smith and Wesson." My fiance found it hilarious. They hit it off right away.

I wasn't a younger teen, I was 19 at the time - but knowing that my dad approved of him was really important to me.
31 posted on 02/17/2004 9:27:01 AM PST by Rubber_Duckie_27
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To: RunningJoke
Read a book? I'm so continuously engaged, serious, intense, absorbed, in what I normally do which involves reading, studying, analyzing, putting out; that the idiot tube is sometimes essential for me to come down. A good intense movie is better. The good thing about Tim and Ray (and I accept their classic clown contribution to sit-coms) is that their shows allowed the back drop to be a more traditional American family rather than trying to give us a morality play based on PC values.
32 posted on 02/17/2004 9:38:19 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Parenthood: The eternal struggle. Now if we could just stop the government from making it harder in every way they can think of.
33 posted on 02/17/2004 9:40:24 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: familyofman
Exactly right!
34 posted on 02/17/2004 9:40:58 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay
Parenthood: The eternal struggle. Now if we could just stop the government from making it harder in every way they can think of.

Exactly. Now if we could get President Bush to address some of these issues...(not to mention repealing that "No Child Left Behind" garbage)

35 posted on 02/17/2004 10:00:00 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Until Kofi Annan rides the Jerusalem RTD....nothing will change.)
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To: optimistically_conservative

Application to date my daughter

Note: This application will be incomplete and rejected unless accompanied by a complete financial statement, job history, lineage and medical report from your doctor.

Name:________________________ Nickname/Alias:___________________
Date Of Birth:____/____/____ height:______ Weight:______ I.Q.:______
G.P.A.:________ Soc. Sec.#______-___-_______
Driver's License#____________________
Boy Scout Rank:_____________Good Standing: Yes_____No_____
Home Address:_______________________________
City/State/Zip_____________________________
Home Phone#: (___)___________ Car Phone#:_______________ Pager#:__________
Do you own
a. Van?____
b. Truck with oversized tires?____
c. Car with a trunk full of speakers?_____

Do you have any of the following:
a. An earring_____
b. nose ring______
c. belly button ring_____
or piercings on any other body parts_____
Explain:_____________________________________________________
Tattoo?______

(If you answered YES to any of the above questions, discontinue and leave the premises immediately.)

In 30 words or less, what does "LATE" mean to you? ________________________________________________________________

In 30 words or less, what does "DON'T TOUCH MY DAUGHTER" mean to you? ________________________________________________________________

Church you attend_____________________ How often______________________
Best time to interview your pastor?_______________________

Fill In The Blank. Please answer freely, all answers will be confidential.
a. If I were beaten, the last bone I want to be broken broken is: ____________________________________________________
b. The one thing I hope this application does not ask me is ____________________________________________________
c. Now answer the question you filled in on B ____________________________________________________

NOTE: If you have answered any of the previous questions dishonestly (and I will find out), discontinue application. It is advised that you leave the premises quickly keeping your head low and running in serpentine fashion.

I swear that all information provided above is true and correct to the best of my knowledge under penalty of death, dismemberment, electrocution, and/or hot pokers.

_____________________________
Signature (This means sign your name)

Thank you for your interest. Please allow 4 - 6 YEARS for processing. If your application is approved, you will be contacted in writing. Please do not call or write, this could cause you unexpected injury.

If your application is rejected, you will be notified by two men wearing white ties and answering to the names GUIDO and LOUIE

36 posted on 02/17/2004 10:01:25 AM PST by Incorrigible (immanentizing the eschaton)
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To: RogerFGay
The other point that they left out is that the absence of a good relationship with one's father is a leading cause of Same-sex Attraction Disorder (homosexual behavior)
37 posted on 02/17/2004 10:32:00 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: martin_fierro
Another girl said that before every date, her father would get out his shotgun and cleaning apparatus and sit in the living room silently oiling his gun - in his undershirt - while the poor schmuck waited inside the front door for her to put on her makeup.

Pretty close to what I have in mind for the little twerps who dare to acknowledge my daughter's existence.

38 posted on 02/17/2004 10:52:05 AM PST by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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