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Rumsfeld vs Kennedy
New York Press ^ | February 16, 2004 | Russ Smith

Posted on 02/16/2004 2:56:31 PM PST by Apu Nahasapeemapetilon

Rumsfeld’s a Hero

Thanks to Glenn Reynolds’ invaluable blog InstaPundit, I linked to a pretty fun bit at scrappleface.com, a website whose motto reads "News Fairly Unbalanced. We Report. You Decipher."

Dated Feb. 5, an item (which ought to make The Onion blush at its irrelevance) took out Teddy Kennedy, who’s currently bellowing at union halls for John Kerry, a man he once considered an ill-suited inheritor of his family’s (mixed) legacy.

The piece read, in part: "Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Sen. Edward Kennedy yesterday that he was ‘all wet’ when the senator alleged that the Bush administration lied about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction to justify going to war.

"… Sen. Kennedy began his questioning of the defense secretary by saying, ‘Don’t you think some members of the Bush administration should be held legally accountable for the lies they told about Iraqi weapons, and subsequent cover-up?’

"‘First, with all due respect, Senator Kennedy, you’re all wet,’ said Mr. Rumsfeld. ‘The administration has not lied or covered up. However, in general, I do believe that when a man commits a crime he should face the bar of justice. He should not be allowed to serve in positions of power in our government, and be hailed as a leader, when the question of his guilt remains unresolved, if you know what I mean.’

"‘I’m sure I do not know what you mean,’ Mr. Kennedy said. ‘But the American people deserve to know why you can’t find Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction.’

"‘Sometimes things are hard to find, even when you know where they are,’ said Mr. Rumsfeld. ‘For example, I’ve heard of a man who missed a bridge and drove his car into the water, even though he knew where the bridge was. And then sometimes you just keep diving into a problem and despite repeated efforts, you come up empty-handed. That doesn’t mean that nothing’s there. As you know, eventually, the truth comes to light.’

"Having no further questions, Mr. Kennedy yielded the remainder of his time.

 


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1 posted on 02/16/2004 2:56:31 PM PST by Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
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To: Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
Way to go Apu.
2 posted on 02/16/2004 2:58:20 PM PST by cripplecreek (.50 cal border fence)
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To: Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
I am not laughing.

"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
Donald Rumsfeld "
March 30, 2003

More:

WMD Quotes Before & After The Invasion (UPDATED)
Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.
Dick Cheney
August 26, 2002
Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.
George W. Bush
September 12, 2002

If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.
Ari Fleischer
December 2, 2002


The president of the United States and the secretary of defense would not assert as plainly and bluntly as they have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction if it was not true, and if they did not have a solid basis for saying it.
Ari Fleischer December 6, 2002

We know for a fact that there are weapons there.
Ari Fleischer January 9, 2003

Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.
George W. Bush
January 28, 2003

We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.
Colin Powell
February 5, 2003

We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.
George W. Bush
February 8, 2003

So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our judgment has to be clearly not.
Colin Powell
March 7, 2003

Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.
George W. Bush
March 17, 2003

Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.
Ari Fleisher
March 21, 2003

There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.
Gen. Tommy Franks
March 22, 2003

I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.
Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman
March 23, 2003

One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.
Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark
March 22, 2003

We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
Donald Rumsfeld
March 30, 2003

Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty.
Neocon scholar Robert Kagan
April 9, 2003

I think you have always heard, and you continue to hear from officials, a measure of high confidence that, indeed, the weapons of mass destruction will be found.
Ari Fleischer
April 10, 2003

We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.
George W. Bush
April 24, 2003

There are people who in large measure have information that we need . . . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.
Donald Rumsfeld
April 25, 2003

We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.
George W. Bush
May 3, 2003

I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now.
Colin Powell
May 4, 2003

We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country.
Donald Rumsfeld
May 4, 2003

I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons program.
George W. Bush
May 6, 2003

U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and find" weapons of mass destruction.
Condoleeza Rice
May 12, 2003

I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean, there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago -- whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're still hidden.
Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne
May 13, 2003

Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I still expect them to be found.
Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps
May 21, 2003

Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction.
Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff
May 26, 2003

They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer.
Donald Rumsfeld
May 27, 2003

For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.
Paul Wolfowitz
May 28, 2003

It was a surprise to me then — it remains a surprise to me now — that we have not uncovered weapons, as you say, in some of the forward dispersal sites. Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad, but they're simply not there.
Lt. Gen. James Conway, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force
May 30, 2003


But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them.
George W. Bush Interview with TVP Poland
5/30/2003

You remember when [Secretary of State] Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons ...They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two...And we'll find more weapons as time goes on And we'll find more weapons as time goes on.
George W. Bush Press Briefing
5/30/2003

"We are going to assemble that evidence and present it properly to people… a complete picture." (Of a new intelligence dossier with fresh evidence about Iraq's illegal arsenal)
Prime Minister Blair - London Daily Telegraph - June 2, 2003

"We've made sure Iraq is not going to be used as an arsenal for terrorist groups. We're going to look. We'll reveal the truth. But one thing is certain: no terrorist network will gain weapons of mass destruction from the Iraqi regime because the Iraqi regime is no more."
President Bush - New York Times - June 5, 2003

"We didn't just make them up one night. Those were eyewitness accounts of people who had worked in the program and knew it was going on, multiple accounts. 'Oh, it was a hydrogen-making thing for balloons. ' No, There's no question in my mind what it was designed for."
Secretary Powell - Time - June 9, 2003

"For bureaucratic reasons we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction, because it was the one reason everyone could agree on."
Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz - Vanity Fair - July 2003

"Iraq had a weapons program. Intelligence throughout the decade showed they had a weapons program. I am absolutely convinced with time we'll find out that they did have a weapons program." (From a Cabinet meeting on June 9)
President Bush - Washington Post - June 10, 2003

"The president, in saying programs, also applies that to weapons. The president had repeatedly said that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that includes everything knowable up to the opening shots of the war. We still have confidence in that information. You could say Iraq continues to have weapons of mass destruction. We have confidence we're going to find them. They're still there."
Press Secretary Fleischer - Washington Post - June 10, 2003

"We did not know at the time – maybe someone knew down in the bowels of the agency – but no one in our circles knew that there were doubts and suspicions that this might be a forgery. Of course it was information that was mistaken." (From Sunday interview)
National Security - Advisor Rice - Los Angeles Times

“I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended that the Iraqis had nuclear weapons… I don't know anybody in any government or any intelligence agency who suggested that the Iraqis had nuclear weapons. That's fact number one.”
Donald Rumsfeld June 2003
LISTEN To MP3 Clip
“The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi nuclear scientists, a group he calls his ‘nuclear mujahideen’.... his nuclear holy warriors… Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof.... the smoking gun.... that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud.”
George W. Bush October 2002
LISTEN To MP3 Clip

"This nation acted to a threat from the dictator of Iraq. Now there are some who would like to rewrite history; revisionist historians is what I like to call them" - George W. Bush



3 posted on 02/16/2004 3:02:53 PM PST by Burkeman1
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To: Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
What time today did you join Free Republic? What took you so long?
4 posted on 02/16/2004 3:02:55 PM PST by Maria S ("I will do whatever the Americans want…I saw what happened in Iraq, and I was afraid." Gaddafi, 9/03)
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To: Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
Is this a barbed wire match? I'll take Rumsfeld!
5 posted on 02/16/2004 3:05:33 PM PST by secret garden (Go Predators! Go Spurs!)
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To: Burkeman1
Why, it's B-man, spreading excerpted portions of talks, speechs, off-handed remarks, and only selected pieces of information ...
6 posted on 02/16/2004 3:06:23 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: Burkeman1
From:

http://www.photodude.com/weblog/2003/november/16_week_of.shtml

I watched an interesting National Geographic special on PBS last night, "Inside Special Forces," and they showed a unit in Baghdad shaking down a "terror house." It was filled with things like bomb making materials (book bombs, video cassette bombs, etc.), schematics for airport metal detectors, and explosive sniffing devices (hmm, trying to pass a bomb somewhere?). It was clearly a school for making and smuggling bombs. And we?ve long known of his support for Palestinian suicide bombers ($25,000 per family). So striking an enemy by proxy (or simple support of a proxy who also hates your enemy) was nothing new for him, and therefore links to Al Qaeda should be no surprise either.

However, you can be sure many will fight them tooth and nail, in detail.

Nonetheless, after this long article, Hayes sums it up in one sentence: "But there can no longer be any serious argument about whether Saddam Hussein?s Iraq worked with Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda to plot against Americans."
7 posted on 02/16/2004 3:07:44 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: Burkeman1
From:
http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/nea/iraq/text2003/0507wmd.htm

7 May 2003
Troops Find Evidence of Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs

Mobile biological weapons laboratory found near Mosul

Washington -- A trailer found by U.S. troops outside the northern Iraqi city of Tall Kayf is suspected of being a mobile biological weapons laboratory from the now-defunct regime of Saddam Hussein, and it is now undergoing extensive testing and evaluation in Baghdad, says a senior Defense Department official.

At a special Pentagon briefing May 7, Stephen Cambone, the under secretary of defense for intelligence, said the mobile laboratory was seized April 19 at a Kurdish checkpoint in northern Iraq. It had been freshly painted in a military camouflage pattern and thoroughly washed with a caustic solution to hide the work conducted in the mobile lab. He said there is no doubt about what the trailer's purpose was.

"The experts have been through it. And they have not found another plausible use for it," Cambone said.

What the U.S. military has in its possession is the kind of mobile laboratory that Secretary of State Colin Powell described in a report to the U.N. Security Council as he sought to justify forcibly disarming the Iraqi regime, he said.

"So while some of the equipment on the trailer could have been for purposes other than biological weapons agent production, U.S. and U.K. tactical experts have concluded that the unit does not appear to perform any function beyond ... the production of biological agents,'' Cambone added.

U.S. intelligence officials have said they believe Iraq had 18 mobile chemical and biological laboratories, but finding them will be a laborious process. Cambone said that, for example, U.S. troops found an Iraqi fighter jet that had been literally buried in the desert to hide it from coalition troops, an indication of Iraq's extensive efforts at deception.

The laboratories were mobile to avoid detection by U.N. weapons inspectors or intelligence agents, to protect them from air or missile strikes, and to enable them to be brought to their point of use in the event of hostilities without detection, Cambone said.

Cambone said the mobile lab is painted in a military color scheme, and was found on a transporter normally used for tanks. In line with the way an Iraqi defector has described Iraq's mobile labs, it contains a fermenter and a system to capture exhaust gases, items necessary for developing biological weapons.

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More: See link above.
8 posted on 02/16/2004 3:08:35 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: Burkeman1
Beginning with 1998:

SEPTEMBER 10, 1998 : (UNSCOM INSPECTOR RITTER, IRAQ, NUKES) Iraq is hiding three technologically complete nuclear bombs and is lacking only fissionable materials to make them operational. This is the view of Scott Ritter, the United Nations arms inspector who resigned on August 26. Mr Ritter made his claim at a recent meeting of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. It was published for the first time yesterday by Zeev Schiff, military editor of Haaretz, the Tel Aviv daily. Haaretz quoted Mr Ritter as revealing that proof also existed that Iraq had been manufacturing chemical weapons outside its borders since the Gulf War. He said that Unscom wanted to pursue this lead in Sudan, but its mandate limited its activities to Iraq. - "Ritter: Baghdad 'possesses three nuclear bombs,'" by Christopher Walker, Times of London, 9/10/98

DECEMBER 1998 : (IRAQ, UNSCOM DISMANTLES GERMAN CENTRIFUGE INSTALLATION) The Times of London interview with Hamza notes another possible clue tog the nature of Brazil-Iraq relations in the early 1980s. Before leaving Iraq in 1998 -- just days before U.S.-led air strikes -- U.N. weapons inspectors had dismantled an illegally imported German centrifuge installation that had been used to refine progressively natural or low-enriched uranium until it became suitable for weapons, the Times reported. - "Brazil uranium sales to Iraq stir debate ," by Carmen Gentile, United Press International 9/25/02

DECEMBER 20, 1998 : (OPERATION DESERT FOX ENDS) End of Desert Fox, a 72-hour operation. Clinton says more may follow.- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor It was during Desert Fox, when a corner of a building's roof was blown off, that the CIA discovered Iraq had fitted aircraft with crop-dusting equipment.

1999 : (GERMANY, SCIENTIST KARL-HEINZ SCHAAB CONVICTED OF TREASON FOR SALES TO IRAQ) Schaab had spent time in Rio de Janeiro while eluding German authorities. He was captured returning to Germany and convicted of treason in 1999. He had been sought by German authorities since 1990 on charges of selling German uranium enrichment technology to Iraq before the Gulf War.- "Brazil uranium sales to Iraq stir debate ," by Carmen Gentile, United Press International 9/25/02

1999 to present : (NO MONITORING OF TRADE ACROSS INTERNATIONAL LAND BORDERS WITH IRAQ) After 1999 there has been no monitoring of trade across the international land borders with Iraq. "King Abdallah [of Jordan] threw Lloyds of London out of the port of Aqaba, where they were supposed to monitor Iraqi imports," the former Iraqi intelligence officer says. "There are regular convoys of trucks to Baghdad from Jordan, and now a direct rail link from Syria carrying military spare parts and production gear, including equipment needed in Iraq's nuclear- weapons plants." - "How Saddam Got Weapons of Mass Destruction" By Kenneth R. Timmerman, Insight Magazine via WorldNetDaily.com , Tuesday, October 1, 2002

JULY 1999 : (CUBA, IRAQ, TERRORISM) As recently as July 1999 Domingo Muchaustegui, a former Cuban government official said to have exceptional information about the Cuban government, wrote: "For U.S. interests, the closeness of the [Cuban] relationship with Iraq and some of the more militant terrorist groups in the Middle East is troublesome. Can Cuba be used to carry out terrorist acts against U.S. targets? Is there any cooperation between Sadam Hussein and Castro in the development of chemical and bacteriological weapons? What remains from the close cooperation between Castro and the more militant terrorist groups in the region?" (University of Miami Middle East Studies Institute, July 1999).

MAY 2000 : (IAEA DISCOVERS IRAQI CENTRIFUGE) The IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency, which also carried out inspections on Iraq until Dec 1998) discovered and destroyed an Iraqi nuclear centrifuge which had been stored in Jordan.- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

JULY 2000 : (SCOTT RITTER, IRAQ, AL KHAFAJI) Ritter was welcomed back to Baghdad in July 2000, with the blessing of Saddam Hussein. The reason for his trip? To produce a documentary film, "In Shifting Sands," that would chronicle the weapons-inspection process and, he says, "de-demonize" Iraq. The 90-minute film, which he says he is close to selling to a broadcast outlet, was produced with the approval of the Iraqi government and features interviews with numerous high-level Iraqi officials, including Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz. U.S. intelligence officials and arms control advocates say Ritter has been played--perhaps unwittingly--by Saddam Hussein. "If you're Scott Ritter," says one arms expert, "the former 'cowboy' weapons inspector, kicked out by Saddam Hussein, you're not going to get back into Iraq unless Saddam Hussein invites you and wants you there." He acknowledges, as well, that the U.S. government doesn't like how the film was financed. Shakir al-Khafaji, an Iraqi-American real estate developer living in Michigan, kicked in $400,000- http://www.theweeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/000/524dplvk.asp

AUGUST 2000 : (CIA REPORTS IRAQ ON IRAQI BIOCHEM DRONE DEVELOPMENT) The CIA reports to US Congress that Iraq is converting an L-29 trainer jet into an unmanned aircraft which could spread chemical and biological weapons. Work was suspected to be carried out at the Al-Faris factory, where Iraq built drop tanks to deliver weapons before the Gulf War.- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

OCTOBER 2000 : (IT'S NOT JUST IRAQ....CUBA & IRAN OPEN BIOTECH PLANT) Cuban Vice President Carlos Lage and the Iranian vice minister of health inaugurated a biotechnological research and development plant outside Tehran. Experts expressed doubts about the supposed medical objectives of the installation, because Iran already produces 97 percent of the medicines its population consumes.

JANUARY 2001 : (IRAQ REBUILDS BIOCHEMICAL PLANTS) Iraq is reported to have rebuilt two factories in the Falluja complex, which produced chemical and biological weapons before the Gulf War.- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

MARCH 2001 : (IRAQ WRITES TI UN CLAIMING IT WANTS TO REBUILD A FACTORY TO PRODUCE 'FOOT AND MOUTH DISEASE VACCINE') Iraq writes to the UN giving notice of its plans to asking to reopen the Daura factory, which had been shut down by UNSCOM in 1996 after it was found to make biological weapons. Iraq said it needed to reopen Daura to produce vaccine for foot-and-mouth disease. - Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

APRIL 2001 : (ATTA & IRAQI INTELLIGENCE OFFICER AL-ANI MEET IN CZECHOSLAVAKIA) When the conspiracy's planning must have been nearing its final stages, Atta was back in Prague for a further brief visit - a journey of considerable inconvenience. Mohamed Atta visited Prague, Czechoslavakia at least twice, and perhaps four times during 2000-2001. Czech officials say that a meeting took place with an Iraqi intelligence agent, Ahmad Khalil Ibrahim Samir Al-Ani on his second trip in April 2001, several weeks before Al-Ani was expelled from the country.
The CIA has evidence that two more hijackers, besides terror leader Mohamed Atta, met with Iraqi intelligence officials earlier this year - bolstering arguments for a Baghdad role in the attacks, it was reported yesterday. The two other skyjackers were Atta's friends and co-conspirators, Marwan al-Shehhi and Ziad Samir Jarrah, who were believed to have been at the controls of two of the pirated jets on Sept. 11. The Observer newspaper of London reported yesterday that senior U.S. intelligence sources said they have "credible information" al-Shehhi and Jarrah met with an Iraqi agent last spring. (Not in Prague but in the UAE) The secret meetings took place in the UAE, the paper reported. - New York Post, "2 (3) More September 11 Hijackers Tied To Iraq" November 12, 2001, by WILLIAM NEUMAN http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/587611/posts

APRIL 2001 : (GERMAN COMPANIES CAUGHT TRYING TO DELIVER COMPONENTS TO IRAQ) August Hanning, head of the BND (German?s Federal Intelligence service), gives an interview to a German Sunday newspaper. ?New chemical weapons are being developed in Iraq. German companies apparently tried to deliver important components for the production of poison gas to Iraq?s Samara plant.? (Interview published by Welt am Sonntag, a German Sunday newspaper, on 22 April 2001, entitled: ?The spy who came in from Westphalia?) This is compatible with Mr Saeed?s evidence.- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

MAY 2001 : (IRAQ, OVER US PROTESTS, TAKES OVER UN CROP-DUSTING HELICOPTERS) Iraq takes over several crop-dusting helicopters from the UN, against US protest that they may be used for a biological weapons attack.- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

MAY 10, 2001: (CUBA, SYRIA, LIBYA, IRAN, VENEZUELA) Castro undertook a round of visits to Syria, Libya and Iran. Speaking at Tehran University, he insisted that "people must be informed and awakened; they must not allow themselves to be pillaged by the West.? During that same trip, the Iranian Press Service quoted Castro as saying, "Iran and Cuba reached the conclusion that together they can tear down the United States." Castro, in an apocalyptic speech, told his Muslim audience in Iran: "America is weak. I have studied its weaknesses from very close by. I tell you, the imperialist king will finally fall." - Agence France-Presse "Tours through radical Islamic states by Castro and his close Venezuelan ally, President Hugo Chavez, in the months prior to the September attacks indicate some level of complicity or knowledge of what was going to happen," says Lisette Bustamante, a former aide to Castro who currently works on the Spanish daily newspaper La Razon. Not only were statements by both leaders in their Middle Eastern trips laced with violent anti-American rhetoric, Bustamante points out, but Chavez quite candidly told reporters that his talks with Saddam Hussein and heads of other oil-producing states involved the creation of a "new anti-imperialist axis" against Western industrialized economies.

SEPTEMBER 2001 : (REPORTS OF IRAQI CHEMICAL WEAPONS EXERCISE) Iranian reports say 20 Iraqi soldiers based in Zaafarniyah region had died and 200 suffered severe breathing problems after taking part in chemical weapons exercise around June.- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

DECEMBER 2001 : (IRAQI SCIENTIST SAYS IRAQ HAS REACTIVATED LABS, HIDDEN FACILITIES IN CIVILIAN AREAS, WMD STORAGE IN APPARENT WELLS, MADE PORTABLE, GERMAN MATERIALS MADE THEIR WAY INTO WEAPONS PROGRAM) A former Iraqi nuclear scientist, Adnan Ihsan Saeed al-Haideri, who has defected to the US, gives an interview to the New York Times from a safe destination in Bangkok (An interview with Mr Saeed was arranged by the Iraqi National Congress, an exiled opposition group to Saddam, whom had helped him escape. It appeared on p1 of the New York Times on 20 December 2001, entitled: ?A nation challenged: Secret sites.?). His evidence is described as ?plausible? by Richard Butler, an Australian former head of UN Iraq inspections. Mr Saeed said that:- ? Iraq has reactivated 300 secret weapons laboratories since the withdrawal of UN weapons inspectors ? Nuclear production and storage facilities are being hidden to the rear of government companies and private villas in residential areas. ? Weapons are being stored underground in what are made to look like water wells, lined with lead-filled concrete. ? Several empty facilities have been prepared, so projects can be on the move and withstand the bombing of one facility. ? Material from Leycochem, a German construction company, had arrived for under UN-approved schemes, but then redirected to nuclear development.- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

DECEMBER 2001 : (IRAQI DEFECTOR SAYS IRAQ USED A HOSPITAL AS COVER FOR BIOWEAPONS AND NUCLEAR WEAPONS DEVELOPMENT, BIOCHEM WEAPONS WERE TESTED ON KURDISH ANS HSIITE PRISONERS) Adnan Ihsan Saeed al-Haideri, an Iraqi defector, gives evidence saying that:- ? Biological weapons were being developed at the back of the Saddam Hussein hospital in Baghdad. (This was later corroborated by Khidhir Hamza, another defector, who told US congress that ?the computer we used for nuclear weapon design is now located in a hospital at the outskirts of Baghdad.?) ? Biological and chemical weapons were tested on Kurdish and Shiite prisoners in 1989 and 1992.- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

JULY 31, 2002 : (WASHINGTON POST REPORTS CIA FOUND IRAQI BIOWEAPONS LAB) The Washington Post runs a detailed report (?Reality is uncertainty,? by Joby Warrick, Washington Post, 31 July 2002) suggesting that the CIA has found a laboratory called Tahhaddy, or ?Challenge?, on the west bank of the Tigris river, employing a team of 85 scientists working on a viral strain code-named Blue Nile. Details sound similar to Ebola Virus, a lethal hemorrhagic disease.

AUGUST 2002 : (US SATELLITES DETECT ACTIVITY AT IRAQI BIOWEAPONS FACILITY) US satellites detect a convoy of 60 trucks at a one of main suspected biological weapons factories, called the Taji Cell Protection Plant.- Iraq - Scotsman says Saddam has weapons to wipe out world's population, nuclear bomb within 3 years "The Scotsman dossier - SPECIAL REPORT ON IRAQ" by Fraser Nelson, Westminster Editor

From: 81 posted on 10/04/2002 2:50:47 AM CDT by piasa
9 posted on 02/16/2004 3:11:07 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
Rummy is GREAT!! I'd give anything to see a picture of TK's face when this was going on!
10 posted on 02/16/2004 3:11:30 PM PST by Paulie
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To: Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
"‘Sometimes things are hard to find, even when you know where they are,’ said Mr. Rumsfeld. ‘For example, I’ve heard of a man who missed a bridge and drove his car into the water, even though he knew where the bridge was. And then sometimes you just keep diving into a problem and despite repeated efforts, you come up empty-handed. That doesn’t mean that nothing’s there. As you know, eventually, the truth comes to light.’

Gotta love Rummy! He buried the Swimmer.

11 posted on 02/16/2004 3:11:38 PM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
"all wet" Teddy....an oxymoron, I think.
12 posted on 02/16/2004 3:15:20 PM PST by Hidgy (LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC)
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To: _Jim
Again- your may 7 2003 post is worthless and Powell and Bush have both said their is no evidence of any worth connecting AQ to Iraq or Sadaam. Want the links?
13 posted on 02/16/2004 3:18:17 PM PST by Burkeman1
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To: Burkeman1
And no one from the other side of the isle ever made any comments about WMD's Right? Give me a break.
14 posted on 02/16/2004 3:21:19 PM PST by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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To: Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
Funny stuff!

Rummy is 'The Man'!

15 posted on 02/16/2004 3:23:11 PM PST by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: vpintheak
They sure did. Just as stupid and worthless. Kerry and nearly every Democrat has no right to criticize Bush over WMDs or the war when they were on board all along.
16 posted on 02/16/2004 3:25:07 PM PST by Burkeman1
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To: Burkeman1
Dude, it's Iraq. Iraq! You have heard of Iraq, eh? Other than some oil it's about as a$$ backwards a country as you can get. In most parts of the country a port-a-can would be pretty damn amazing.

WMD's? Don't care. Never did. Kicking the crap out of Islamonazis? Good! Good. Definitely prudent! "W"'s gunna doit! (using Bush seniors voice).

Just to recap. Iraq, a$$ backwards. Iraq, dead Islamonazis. WMD's? DON'T CARE!

17 posted on 02/16/2004 3:27:40 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Guns!)
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To: Burkeman1
Burkeman1 --- your list ommitted the only folks that kool-aid drinkers, messy bib wearing, knee walking leftists believe...

Below are YOUR heroes - and TRUTH TELLERS --- WHY do you refuse to believe THEM?

Reevaluating Weapons of Mass Destruction

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 Democrat and truth teller!

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 Democrat and champion of women!

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
-Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998 Democrat and not even Halfbright!

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
-Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 Democrat who slept through all the early terrorist attacks!

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
-Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998 Democrats and trustworthy leaders of the Free World!

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 Democrat with the tightest face in the West!

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 Democrat and living joke!

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001 Democrat substitute for genius!

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 Democrat - pompous ass who can't keep his glasses in place nor be trusted with Confidential Information -- the great "leaker"!

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 Democrat who invented the Internet, wore a sock in his crotch and was the favorite author of the Unibomber!

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 Democrat who sent an army of lawyers to Florida to INVALIDATE the absentee ballots from our deployed Military.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 Democrat, whose most strenuous activity was swimming to shore and sobering up before calling his lawyers and ordering a neck brace!

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 Democrat and KKK Chairperson responsible for recruitment!

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 Democrat and former "War Hero" who worked against those still fighting!

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 Democrat, and too stupid to have earned his own fortune!

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002 Democrat - and holds the world market on nose hair!

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 Democrat - smartest woman in America, but too stupid to get along without her powerful and charismatic husband!

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 Democrat - who keep forgetting he is moron!

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 Democrat - who keeps forgetting he is an American!



SO NOW THE DEMOCRAT LEADERSHIP SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED, THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND HE TOOK US TO WAR FOR HIS OIL BUDDIES??? ANOTHER 'LIE DU JOUR'. THEIR NOSES GET LONGER EVERY DAY.

Have a nice day.......

Semper Fi



18 posted on 02/16/2004 3:30:16 PM PST by river rat (Militant Islam is a cult, flirting with extinction)
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To: Burkeman1
A special place in the hottest part of hell is reserved for those damned, gutless, pathetic cowards who choose to do nothing, when evil is running rampant and the innocent, weak and powerless are being murdered, raped, tortured, etc.

19 posted on 02/16/2004 3:30:43 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Burkeman1
your may 7 2003 post is worthless and

The 'adult' view, the view other than the view that you seem to have which seems to be a view lodged in 'simple' one-liners excepted from their context and OUTSIDE of the reality of the factual 'findings' of others -

- indicated a continued attempt by Saddam to acquire WMD through a variety of methods and sources; from adjoining states in the area where trade was not monitored to flights from various countries that were capable of brining in al manner of materials - a NUMBER of which were known.

So DON'T give me this 'juvenile', excerpted 'cut and paste' crap as an argument - agruments that will work on the simple minded who can't hold two thoughts in their brains at the same time ...

20 posted on 02/16/2004 3:32:34 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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