Libyan Arms Papers Are Linked to China:Nuclear Secrets Passed Through Pakistan

Washington Post ^ | Joby Warrick and Peter Slevin

[e_castillo]

...ping...
I'm going to Walmart!

[FreeAtlanta]

Who is responsible for giving plans, equipment and materials to serogats who will do their bidding? I think an utlimatum needs to be made that if we go down, everyone goes down. Nuclear weapons are extremly serious, and I don't want any of our cities vaporized. I don't want to see any city in the world vaporized, but the scum that allowed plans, materials and knowledge to get to irresponsible hands, did it for a reason.

What is your solution to prevent losing millions of our people?

[tallhappy]

The United States is not willing to begin a war with China...

So you are saying the US would be starting any war with China. Of course it would be the US starting it. Or Taiwan starting it. But never oh never ever the ChiComs, or no. Even though they would be the ones who actually started it.

Some people will say anything to defend their precious ChiComs.

[TeleStraightShooter]

Great link!

I never thought od the Ayotolloh-holy-roller as a "Clerical Fascist" before, but it makes sense.

[FreeReign]

yonif:Kind of weird that China is supporting Islamic terrorist states and fighting Islamists in their own country as well.

Washington Post:The bomb designs and other papers turned over by Libya have yielded dramatic evidence of China's long-suspected role in transferring nuclear know-how to Pakistan in the early 1980s...

(My Bold)

[FreeReign]

AUH2OYsK:While China engages in proliferation, President Bush stands by her side in condemning Taiwan's independence referendum.

Washington Post: "Did the Chinese make a huge mistake in sharing technology with Pakistan? Sure. Did we make a mistake by looking the other way in the 1980s when Pakistan was developing the bomb? Yes," Wolfsthal said. "But none of that should get in the way of dealing with the real threats we face today. Our priority must be to drain the swamp created by the action of these nuclear suppliers and businessmen over the past 10 years."

Sometimes, the WP excerpt doesn't tell the full story.

[Cap Huff]

Bump for later read.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Foxnews is on this story now!!!

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"Foxnews is on this story now!!!"

Ah, missed it. (going to get a late lunch now)

[Cap Huff]

I think the nuclear proliferation problem is going to be a big issue this year (it must be since it is genuinely so serious). Right now GWB and his administration are focused on working the problem, and not milking it for poll figures. It is way too serious to play it for votes.

Nevertheless, it will slowly dawn on the public that the previous administration not just neglected the issue, they sold us down the river in the first place, and now we've got to paddle up stream against a raging torrent. It won't be pretty. Notice how quiet the Dems have been on the issue. As far as I have seen Kerry simply had one of his staff flunkies issue a boilerplate statement in response to GWB's 11 Feb speech on the WMD proliferation.

Good to see that Fox is bringing it up.

[af_vet_1981]

Are you feelin' lucky ?
Go for it.
If you believe in Taiwanese indepedence so much what are you doing about it ?

[tallhappy]

Thanks for your response. You clarify a lot.

[yonif]

The support was in 1980...... today is 2004

In the case of Libya, they might have done it in the 1980s, sure, but there is no way one can conclude they are not doing it today when it comes to other Islamic terrorist regimes. The fact it has done so in the past, makes it probable that they continue to do so to some extent today.

[risk]

So soon after winning the Cold War, and they're starting to forget how the previous generations did it! I think the younger ones weren't really paying attention to the fire that blazed in real Cold Warrior eyes; they lived by New Hampshire's motto while their children seemed hardly to know about the dangers. They make some of the new "freedom fighters" who selectively support liberty for others based on some personal risk index look timid. They are certainly not Reaganites.

[znix]

But that is not what you said. You advocated nuking cities all across the globe if a terrorist detonated an atomic bomb here. No doubt an atomic explosion in a major city would be terrible, but it would likely kill tens of thousands not millions.

Your plan kills us all.

Certainly our nukes come in to play after an atomic attack on one of our cities, but our first response won't be launching Minutemen at France, China and Russia. There's a huge difference between a terrorist with a crude atomic bomb and a nation with thermonuclear ICBMs. I'm no authority but its a few kilotons compared to several thousand megatons.

Since your plan is basically a plan for bringing forth the apocolypse, I would suggest a more limited approach. After an attack, you put everyone on notice. We threaten everyone. We tell Russia and China exactly what our intentions are and demand that they do not interfere. We directly threaten Iran and North Korea with annihilation and demand the immediate surrender of their nuclear arsenal. If they refuse we take whatever means necessary to destroy that arsenal.

Look you're right that if we go down, everyone goes down. Im just saying its going to take a lot more than 5KT to bring us down.

[znix]

What do we do if China says to us bluntly "We're willing to lose a few cities over this, how many are you willing to lose?"

Are Americans prepared to sacrifice their cities for Taiwan like we were for western Europe? I doubt it.

[MissouriForBush]

"Proxy war, a Chinese specialty.

China is more than delighted to see us blow a half-trillion a year to fight these thugs while they keep building alliances under our nose within this hemisphere..."

Carry, you win the award for the smartest post I have seen on Free Republic in a long, long time. Add illegal immigration to this mix (bearing in mind that NEITHER Republicans nor Democrats are doing anything to halt the flow of illegal aliens into the US) and well...I think you get the picture...

[af_vet_1981]

What do we do if China says to us bluntly "We're willing to lose a few cities over this, how many are you willing to lose?"

Launch a first (and second) strike before they do.

[znix]

Launch a first (and second) strike before they do.

Over Taiwan? History would never forgive us.

I'm sorry, but I think that is absolutley crazy. And I'm guessing that the vast majority of Americans thinks thats crazy. The Taiwan situation is incomparable to the madness we faced in western Europe.

You'd find it difficult, I think, to justify the deaths of millions of Chinese, radioactive fallout over all our allies in the region, a seriously freaked out Russia, the destruction of a few major US cities, all our orbiting sattelites, and a few US carrier fleets, not to mention massive riots and martial law here and throughout the world all becuase China was exercising political control over an island everyone, including the US, recognizes as theirs.

[Poohbah]

Ping. My "Enron with nukes" idea seems to make more and more sense.