Darwin's evolution ship 'found'

The Age ^ | February 15, 2004 | AAP

[3catsanadog]

Hasn't it evolved into a cruise ship yet?

[3catsanadog]

From working at a nursing home, I've seen plenty of dying people. They don't do much talking. They are too busy trying to draw breath.

[PetroniusMaximus]

***I have read and heard that Darwin did indeed become a Christian before his death.***


I've read that Darwin became a creationist after his death!

[Don Joe]

"Most of the upper part of the ship may have gone, but we have the lower part and hull, and who knows what remnants of Darwin's trip may still lie down there,"

And who know what those remants have evolved to!

I smell the stuff of a good horror flick in this. Hmm... what to do, what to do...

Yeah, why not. I'm an excellent typist.

[Stultis]

Darwin was always a Christian...

That's just not true according to Darwin's own testimony n his autobiography (a very frank document which Darwin wrote as a private account for his own family) and in some of his correspondence.

Darwin was a Christian while aboard the Beagle (1831-36), and also at the time he formulated his views about evolution (1837), and when he first wrote them out in extended form (1842), but he was no longer a Christian at least by the time his daughter Annie died (1851) and probably a few years before that. Darwin himself describes his transition from belief to agnosticism (he claims he never became an atheist) as gradual and almost insensible, but in the end quite definite and complete.

[Physicist]

I've read that Darwin became a creationist after his death!

And I've read that grasses and trees existed before the sun did. People dream up the damndest stuff, don't they?

[B4Ranch]

I can't locate where the slaves were held on the ship. Therefore, this cannot be a true drawing.

[FNU LNU]

"His ideas were published in 1859 in On the Origin of Species..."

This writer is being a little modest on the title of Darwin's book. The complete title was "The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection or The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life."

Modern racism has always found its strongest and most vicious expressions among doctrinaire evolutionists. This includes men like Karl Marx, Adolf Hitler, Friederich Engels, Nicolai Lenin and other such advocates of group struggles and survival of the fittest.

And no, I'm not saying that all evolutionists are racists.

[PatrickHenry]

Modern racism has always found its strongest and most vicious expressions among doctrinaire evolutionists.

The creationoid slime machine just keeps on cranking out the same old garbage. Time for a little truth:

Creationist Makes Racist Speech

The quote that follows proves nothing at all about race; but it demonstrates that racism isn't something that suddenly began with the theory of evolution (Darwin published "Origin of Species" one year after the Lincoln-Douglas debates).

I do not question Mr. Lincoln's conscientious belief that the negro was made his equal, and hence is his brother; but for my own part, I do not regard the negro as my equal, and positively deny that he is my brother or any kin to me whatever. ... Now, I do not believe that the Almighty ever intended the negro to be the equal of the white man. If he did, he has been a long time demonstrating the fact. For thousands of years the negro has been a race upon the earth, and during all that time, in all latitudes and climates, wherever he has wandered or been taken, he has been inferior to the race which he has there met. He belongs to an inferior race, and must always occupy an inferior position.

Lincoln-Douglas Debates
First Joint Debate at Ottawa, August 21, 1858
Stephen Douglas, his Opening remarks: online version here.

[RightWingAtheist]

He could have an interesting conversation with Churchill's parrot.

[RightWingAtheist]

No, but she did have the missing Magnificent Ambersons's footage on her.

[RightWingAtheist]

The Voyage of the Beagle is one of the prize books in my collection; the edition I have is the handsome Wordsworth Classics softcover shown above. It is not just a priceless document of history's greatest scientific voyage, but a beautifully written and vivid tale of adventure, worthy of the best of Patrick O'Brian.

[greenwolf]

My guess would be that Richard Wagner had this story figured out correctly, and that Charles Darwin and the Beagle are still out there, sailing the world's oceans until the day of judgement:

[Dimensio]

There, now I have thorougly refuted the sound point that you made with your posting of the "Truth eating Darwin fish emblem".

(For decency's sake, I won't post the "Procreating Fish" emblem).

[RightWingAtheist]

At this point in history, what we really need is a picture of the Darwin Fish (or should that be the Darwin Tetrapod?)devouring the Allah Shark.

[Stultis]

Modern racism has always found its strongest and most vicious expressions among doctrinaire evolutionists.

There was indeed a revival of scientific racism in the early decades of the 20th Century (stimulated, IMHO, by the historically unprecedented mass immigrations of the period). However your "always" is ludicrous and wildly false. When it was originally introduced, evolutionary theory UNDERCUT the scientific racism of the mid-Nineteenth Century, which in its most extreme forms was based on the claim that races were effectively separate species. IOW it was based on creationism. OTOH, in the last four or five decades, you can't point to any prominent evolutionary racists, whereas explicitly racist groups, such as the Klan or "Identity Christians" are creationist.

And to paraphrase you (if less cynically): No, I'm not saying that all creationists are racists, or even that most are, or even that a significant percentage are, or even that the doctrine of creation correctly understood is in any way racist by implication.

[balrog666]

I can't resist posting this in honor of the departed Phaedrus.

[Thinkin' Gal]

British archaeologists believed they have finally located the long-lost remnants of HMS Beagle

[RightWingAtheist]

I'm a militant atheist and a militaristic conservative. That makes me EEEEEEEEvil.

[Dimensio]

Shhh! We're not supposed to let them know that we exist!

The black helicopters will be outside your home at any moment.