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To: yonif
"His ideas were published in 1859 in On the Origin of Species..."

This writer is being a little modest on the title of Darwin's book. The complete title was "The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection or The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life."

Modern racism has always found its strongest and most vicious expressions among doctrinaire evolutionists. This includes men like Karl Marx, Adolf Hitler, Friederich Engels, Nicolai Lenin and other such advocates of group struggles and survival of the fittest.

And no, I'm not saying that all evolutionists are racists.
48 posted on 02/15/2004 6:26:04 AM PST by FNU LNU
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To: FNU LNU
Modern racism has always found its strongest and most vicious expressions among doctrinaire evolutionists.

The creationoid slime machine just keeps on cranking out the same old garbage. Time for a little truth:

Creationist Makes Racist Speech

The quote that follows proves nothing at all about race; but it demonstrates that racism isn't something that suddenly began with the theory of evolution (Darwin published "Origin of Species" one year after the Lincoln-Douglas debates).

I do not question Mr. Lincoln's conscientious belief that the negro was made his equal, and hence is his brother; but for my own part, I do not regard the negro as my equal, and positively deny that he is my brother or any kin to me whatever. ... Now, I do not believe that the Almighty ever intended the negro to be the equal of the white man. If he did, he has been a long time demonstrating the fact. For thousands of years the negro has been a race upon the earth, and during all that time, in all latitudes and climates, wherever he has wandered or been taken, he has been inferior to the race which he has there met. He belongs to an inferior race, and must always occupy an inferior position.
Lincoln-Douglas Debates
First Joint Debate at Ottawa, August 21, 1858
Stephen Douglas, his Opening remarks: online version here.
49 posted on 02/15/2004 7:39:10 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: FNU LNU
Modern racism has always found its strongest and most vicious expressions among doctrinaire evolutionists.

There was indeed a revival of scientific racism in the early decades of the 20th Century (stimulated, IMHO, by the historically unprecedented mass immigrations of the period). However your "always" is ludicrous and wildly false. When it was originally introduced, evolutionary theory UNDERCUT the scientific racism of the mid-Nineteenth Century, which in its most extreme forms was based on the claim that races were effectively separate species. IOW it was based on creationism. OTOH, in the last four or five decades, you can't point to any prominent evolutionary racists, whereas explicitly racist groups, such as the Klan or "Identity Christians" are creationist.

And to paraphrase you (if less cynically): No, I'm not saying that all creationists are racists, or even that most are, or even that a significant percentage are, or even that the doctrine of creation correctly understood is in any way racist by implication.

56 posted on 02/15/2004 11:57:59 AM PST by Stultis
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