Who Killed Jesus?: Setting the Record Straight

BreakPoint ^ | 12 Feb 04 | Charles Colson

[stuartcr]

I still don't see how you, who lives 2000years after He was crucified, are at fault.

[Inyokern]

I think they said 32 a.d. :-)

Where do they say that?

It's not an accusation.

Of course it is an accusation. Are we next going to debate what the definition of "is" is?

I don't know where you're getting this idea that somehow I'm "accusing" anyone of some kind of crime.

Agitating for an innocent man's death, if not technically a crime, is certainly wrongdoing.

People didn't have the same attitudes in 32 a.d. that they do nowadays--they didn't have our exquisite sensibilities.

Do you mean people didn't use to mind being accused of murder without evidence?

The bigwigs of Judaea were scared shitless of the Romans and were willing to part with a single human life to save the millions that would have been lost if the Romans had decided to put down a sedition militarily.

Prove it.

That is perhaps the most scurrilous accusation in the entire New Testament. The idea that "one man should die for the people" is entirely contrary to Jewish law. It is a Christian concept, not a Jewish one.

Prove it actually happened.

[Agnes Heep]

Prozac. That's what you need when you're feeling schizoid. Take some and get back to me.

[Agnes Heep]

Agitating for an innocent man's death, if not technically a crime, is certainly wrongdoing.

Oh yes, and while you're taking your Prozac, get this: I don't know where you stand vis-a-vis the Christian gospels, but if there's any truth to them, he was a blasphemer and an idolator ... both high crimes against the law which he professed to uphold. I'd suggest you get your facts straight, and then take a slightly different approach to religion ... one that accounts for the spirit of the thing, and not the spitting hatred which is so often its hallmark.

[Inyokern]

Look, that's the story. None of the story is "provable fact" but why should that matter.

Is Gibson going to put up a disclaimer on the screen, "None of these events are meant to portray any person living or dead?"

He should, but I don't think he will. He is accusing real people of doing things that he cannot prove.

[wimpycat]

Prove it. Present some evidence that would hold up in court.

Present some evidence (that will hold up in court, of course) that you are something other than a pernicious, Christian-hating agitator with a chip on his shoulder that is so big I can see it from here.

[wimpycat]

I didn't know He was dead.

Well, yes, he was dead. For 3 days.

[aruanan]

It was both and neither. The Jews didn't cause the death of Jesus, nor did the Romans. They were merely instruments carrying out what God had decreed.

Poor Chuck Colson.

[Inyokern]

St. Augustine: "Judaism, since Christ, is a corruption; indeed, Judas is the image of the Jewish people: their understanding of Scripture is carnal; they bear the guilt for the death of the Saviour, for through their fathers they have killed Christ."

Is there a source for this on the web? This is a great quote. This is a perfect response to missionaries.

[tracer]

"Well, He isn't (dead) right now..."

Indeed,, and that is exactly the point.

So why then has this debate continued over millenia; with a modern-day Pope seeing a need to presume to "forgive the Jews;" the persistence of idiotic hysteria surrounding a movie, fanned by people who claim to be religious and comprehend that which is sacred; and, last but not least, this truly inane thread (82 posts and counting)in a forum that rightly was created to "roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America?"

Anyway, any true Democrat will tell you that in fact it was none other than the ever-AWOL George W. Bush who "killed" Jesus when he instead should have been attending to his National Guard duties in Alabama.

And that Cavalry and the crosses thereupon were built by Haliburton...

[tracer]

Read back over your words and you will see that they reveal the fact that you are a true fan of Monty Python..... 8~)

[Inyokern]

What I don't understand is the Jews don't accept Jesus as the Messiah. So why should they be so concerned that people who do accept Him would be upset at them for killing him.

Uh, let me think. Could it be because the Jews are being accused of MURDER???

[tracer]

"I'm waiting for the photo of "Tourist Guy" on Calvary Hill..."

Groan. Or, worse yet, the Easter Bunny in Roman centurian garb......

[Inyokern]

Prozac. That's what you need when you're feeling schizoid.

Christian love raises its ugly head once again!

[Inyokern]

I'd suggest you get your facts straight, and then take a slightly different approach to religion ... one that accounts for the spirit of the thing, and not the spitting hatred which is so often its hallmark.

You are the one making accusations about people "agitating" for someone's death, not me.

I merely asked you to prove your accusations and you seemed to get very angry.

[LearnsFromMistakes]

what 3 other guys have to say

Matthew 20:19
And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him:

Mark 10:33-34
...shall deliver him to the Gentiles: And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him:

Luke 18:32-33
For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death:


We can all agree, thank God Jesus did what he did!

[Brad’s Gramma]

Uh, let me think. Could it be because the Jews are being accused of MURDER???

Not by THIS Christian!

[Celtman]

Article: Who killed Jesus?

      A moot, irrelevant question. 

Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.

Luke 23:34

      Whoever was responsible, that responsibility was wiped out at the time.

I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Exodus 20:5

      And we are about 100 generations down the road from the Crucifixion.

[Terry Mross]

That's my point, dude. Why would they be upset? They're not! You've got left wing radicals that are upset. They're always upset when anything having to do with Christian belief is portrayed in a positive way.

But I'll still stand by my statement. The Gospels (the truth) that I've read say the Jewish Leaders and the Jewish people made the decision for Jesus of Nazareth to be crucified and Barrabas to be set free. Was that every Jew at that time? Not at all. There were lots of Jews who knew who He was so it can't be on ALL the Jews' hands. And as I said, they had no choice in the matter. Neither did Pilot and neither did Judas.

I also get a little tired of the vocal Jews who still blame the entire world for Hitler. I didn't cause that anymore than I caused slavery. And I also know many Jews who don't want to keep talking about how bad the Jews have been treated forever. They're not being treated today any worse than other people of other religions. Finally, Judaism is a religion, not a race. And that comes from a very good Jewish friend of mine. Hopefully I can express my oppinion without being persecuted.

[Rightwing Conspiratr1]

Christ was given up by his own people the Jews. That said Christ is not dead, so the question is moot. Methinks Time should have asked the question, "Who raised Jesus?".