Oppose Mark Leno's "homosexual marriage" bill

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Oppose Mark Leno's "homosexual marriage" bill

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[Ohioan]

The notion of "homosexual marriage" is one of the most obvious oxymorons ever to be seriously discussed as a valid proposal. Future generations will view the history of our times with raised eyebrows and snickers, for a number of reasons; but you can be certain the fact that we seriously discussed such a concept will be very prominent among them.

Marriage is not always between one man and one woman; but it always relates to a sexual union--with sexual given its ordinary meaning, in whatever the language--that is relating to the division of the species into two distinct sexes, each with a separate and distinct function. That sexual division is the basis for ongoing human life; the gravamen of continuing existence. That educated people in our society fail to appreciate anything so obvious, says much about the mentally undisciplined way so many of us raise our children.

Marriage is about society sanctifying the mating of its members. And while there may be such a thing as a couple marrying without sex--that is without the union of the sexual parts of man and woman--such marriages are allowed because we give people the benefit of the doubt; we assume that people who seek to marry, intend to consummate those marriages. The fact is, in virtually every jurisdiction, as earlier under ecclesiastical law, failure to consummate a marriage could be grounds for annulment. The theory of annulment is quite different than that of divorce. It is premised upon the idea that such a marriage is simply void--that, in effect, it never existed.

Considering all of this, one can only conclude that those proposing such a mockery of marriage; of human experience and Nature's reality, as well as of the entire religious history of the West, are either (1) completely delusional on the relevant questions, or (2) simply exploiting the delusions of others to use those who are delusional for some conceived political advantage.

Of course, it is obvious, also, that none of the arguments being cited; that people are "in love," that people have perverse "attachments," "desires," "attractions" or whatever, have anything to do with the nature of the insitution of marriage. They are totally irrelevant to the question being raised.

One can feel genuine compassion for mixed up people; one can feel total disgust for certain acts; one can fear disease or scoff at all danger, even explore the darker recesses of one'e own mind--if one is one of those fighting with strange impulses, even ones they somehow imagine they were born with (however, actually unlikely); none of this has the slightest bearing on the question.

Marriage is not like a Corporation, where there may be different corporate purposes. Marriage has one role; the role it has always had, and that is to sanctify the sexual union, the mating of the sexes. Anyone who does not see that clearly, has a very serious conceptual and perceptual problem.

I will not even comment on the abject stupidity involved in anyone who seeks a greater degree of public toleration for his or her "idiosyncracy," pursuing anything so counter-productive and idiotic.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

[concerned about politics]

This is some of the most pig-headed spew I've ever read on the subject

Trust me. It's the BOAT moving away from the shore.
I wish I could get you to understand the real world. You've put up a mental block, and still feel you have "the right" to force us all into your fantasy world.
Hopefully, America will not allow the dysfunctional to dictate our nations norms. There's no reason the entire country has to pretend the shore is the object moving, and that homosexuals are "just like us".

[buffyt]

My 29 year old nephew is gay and he lives with another man. They are totally devoted to each other. They just moved to Denver. It isn't so much sexual as deep friendship, partership, companionship. Neither one of them was ever attracted to females, for a life partner.

I went through all the stages shock, denial, anger, acceptance. It was hard for all of us, but we have known since he was 19. I can't change him. I love him as much as ever. I took him out for lunch in Denver last week for his birthday. His partner was invited, he had to work.

[buffyt]

Marriage is not always between one man and one woman; but it always relates to a sexual union--

Not always.... some couples are unable to have sex.... due to paralysis, etc.

[Ohioan]

If you would just read the next paragraph of my post, to which you reply, you would see that your point is dealt with.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

[Nix 2]

Leviticus Ch 18, from verse 21 to Chapter 19:

And thou shalt not give any of thy seed to set them apart to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the Name of they G-d: I am the Lord.
Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind; it is abomination.
And thou shalt not lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith; neither shalt a woman stand before a beast, to lie down thereto; it is perversion.
Defile yourselves not of any of these things; for in all these the nations are defiled, from which I cast out before you. And the land was defiled, thereof I did visit this iniquity upon it, and the land vomited out her inhabitants.....etc.

[Mat_Helm]

Homosexuals bring disease, destruction, and death. Every society in history that openly permits this disfunctional and unatural behavior goes into deacy and ruin. Unlike communism, Nazi sociolism, Islam and other cultures with no tolerance that kill or place homosexuals in prison or mental institutions, christian nations have been tolerant of the sin and such nations have let the sodomites live in their societies. But when they go from covert in the closet to overtly in our faces pushing their sick agenda they have gone to far.

Homosexuality is a mental disease of abnormal behavior and deviant living. Members of the same family do not marry because of the risks for disease and malformity from bad DNA in children. Same sex marriage carries the same risk for spreading disease (HIV, STD's, HIV related disease from weakened immune) and moral depravity that a healthy society does not promote. HIV patients are walking corpes that transmit other diseases healthy people normally do not encounter and further spread other infections such as TB. Toleratation is one thing but to promote and help undesireable actions that destroy and weaken our society is beyond just a moral issue. It is a health issue, insurance issue, tax issue, child welfare issue, military readiness issue, suicide and mental health issue, and more. Gays have higher suicide rates, much lower lifespans, much more disease and drug addiction. There is nothing gained from society as a whole promoting abnormal human behavior.

[concerned about politics]

The problem is, it's so unnatural, the diseases are deadly. Many have died, many are ill. Their over use of antibiotics from intestinal infections and stomach infections from consuming bile is going to lead to some of the most awful disease we've ever seen, and it's all because they want kinky sex. AIDs is just the first.
We didn't heed the warning before, and we should heed the warning now.
For the biblical, God will not be mocked.
For the evolutionists, imagine the mutations that will arise from this behavior. Every natural law in existence is being violated, and nature will attempt to create a balance to ensure human survival. They will become more diseased, and those diseases will also take the lives of the innocent around them. Nature will not yield because a few homosexuals demand it. Nature will win. It always does.

[roylene]

To start with there are two issues: first - a legal government sanctioned contract which levels certain defined benefits and privileges and second - a religious ie. marriage contract which is between God and the parties.
A church or religious organization can marry anyone they see fit that meet their criteria. For Christians marriage is a symbolic representation of Christ and the church (His bride).
So the question is does the government have a right to intrude into marriage - NO! Does the government have a right to recognize a contract between any two people, that is a very different question. Given however, that the government began to sanction marriage for the purpose of establishing stable family units where paternity (and inheritance) was recognized, what then follows.
The question may remain do we as a society want to maintain 10,000 years history or destroy it so that a small group of people may feel good by turning tolerance into acceptance, I say no.

[yikes]

Here are several reasons whyh marriage MUST continue to be between a man and a woman:

If a gay guy has not married by age 50, can he be called an old maid?

Can you imagine two married women getting menopause at the same time? Yikes!

If Heather has two mommies, does that mean both get up at 3 am to breast feed her?

When does a gay guy’s biological clock start ticking?

Will hemorrhoids replace the headache as the excuse du jour?

Will gay guys refer to their spouses as the little woman?

Will callers to Dr. Laura say “I am my kids' pervert?”

I know these are politically incorrect, but I have run out of tolerance for this kind of c--p, especially since one person in one state has turned thousands of years of tradition and history on their heads.

I'm not obliged to honor marriages between gay people, and I an't gonna do it.

[Nix 2]

Even a paraplegic can still manufacture sperm. A female can still have eggs. Even with technology being what it is, the sexual union between male and female is blessed for the child it can produce. Man cannot lie with man and do such. Neither woman with woman without benefit of third parties that have no place in the law, biblically or otherwise, unless the WIFE cannot conceive And then it is HER choice. Though a WIFE might have more choices today, people cannot go back and retroactively make an unnatural act seem natural and I haven't heard G-d speak those particular words lately.

You can go on and find all sorts of examples where sperm has been used to impregnate women whose husbands could not generate active sperm, but it is the WASTE of the seed that is decried,(like abortion which is nothing short of infanticide, it is abomination.) It is not supposed to be used to fulfil selfish wishes to the detriment of children. Just as the couple who were deaf had no right whatever to deafen their child who was born hearing. It is an evil thing to try and twist a normal child into a mirror image of yourself unless you are G-d Almighty.

Moreover, love, LOVE exists ONLY in the mind. SPERM is for procreation. No matter how *good* *sex* feels. The whole point is that you can love with all your might and never need to touch in any way that defiles the human spirit or defies the Lord. Sex between males and females is natural.
If you knowingly do other than natural law has chosen, then know that some things are simply not considered *normal* among human beings or among beasts which you would think know no better...because even the beasts find it unacceptable and will kill over it. And in so knowing, to thine own self be true. This is political and has nothing to do with love or any other human feeling or right. It is one further attempt to take G-d out of the American Lexicon. I ain't buying it.

I don't say hate homosexuals. I don't even think they should be excluded from any constitutional right, (and they aren't.) They want EXTRA-constitutional laws besides the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness and they want them at the expense of everyone else. There is no provision in any state that stops any attorney from drawing up legal papers as to who gets what when you die, who has your Power of Attorney, who gets into your hospital room, or anything of the sort.

I'm absolutely certain that laws exist that will allow civil unions which entitle same-sex couples to health benefits, insurance benefits, etc., and I'm not too terribly sure how I feel about that, because I CAN'T do the same for any member of my family without paying through the nose for it.
So please explain why this whole *marriage* thing has BECOME a thing if not to jam our culture and Law which was proclaimed thousands of years ago, with something that most Americans don't believe, whose children are being indoctrinated to this against their wills, and how in any way whatsoever can anyone call it anything other than diverting deviancy down?

Why can persons with a room for rent place an ad that excludes smoking, which is legal, but forces them to open up their home to homosexuals even if their religion expressly forbids it when our Constitution clearly prohibits the state from screwing with your religion? Isn't someone getting AIDS in your house just as much of an insurance risk as a smoker setting their couch on fire and someone dying? AIDS IS just as fatal and probably far more costly.

Isn't grade school indoctrination at least as bad as having empty ash trays for which you can be arrested in NYC whether anyone is smoking or not? I would rather see my kid with an empty ashtray, thank you.

I saw a thread where there is a protest about the *Vagina Monologues* being presented at some Ivy League college. They are using it as a high school play somewhere in Pennsylvania. POLITICS of immeasurable destruction to the American Family, bar none.

I don't hate anyone for how they feel. It isn't my business unless and until it spills out onto the whole country against our will...changes what we teach our children...changes the manner of free speech to the point where people are terrified for barely whispering something someone won't like, and I sez the hell wid it.
How do you feel about the Roaring Twenties and the Neutral Nineties?

[Nix 2]

Ping to #51. Sorry. I hit the post button too soon.

[concerned about politics]

POLITICS of immeasurable destruction to the American Family, bar none.

In order to create a socialist or communist society, the original society first has to be destroyed. There has to be chaos.
Victimhood propaganda is a powerful tool. It gets the poor angry at the rich, the blacks angry at the whites, the queers angry at the normal, the woman angry at the man, the old angry at the young.
Once the nation is divided by internal strife, families, towns, cities, states begin to suffer. They no longer work together, and a house divided will not stand.
Once the nation is in chaos, the socialists come in as the "saviors", even though it is them causing the discord. They offer "government programs", or "tolerance" , or Diversity" to help the "victims" they've created. Because the chaos is like domino's, the number of socialist voters increases, because their lives are so screwed up, perverted, insane, uneducated, miserable, they need the government for food, housing or clothes.
The more victims created, the bigger the government gets. The more the moral and prosperous are attacked as evil, the more they can be used as tax slaves to pay for the revolution until they are also too poor to survive.
Once the entire nation can no longer survive on it's own , the socialist have won. They then have absolute total control over every aspect of the American life - from birth to grave. They own it all.
The socialists and communists working in America must destroy this society. The Constitution, as well as the Bible, must be rewritten or eliminated. It stands in the way of everything they believe in.

[cartoonistx]

God, sadly, does not hear our meaningless arguments and counter arguments about whether or not to legitimize same-sex activity with marriage. He only hears the groaning of the Earth as it strains under the weight of our sins. It cries out to Him and soon, all too soon, He will move to cleanse the land. Perhaps fire and brimstone or maybe.....!

But worry not. The media will come up with a reasonable "natural" explaination for His reproof. No one will be forced to believe it's their fault.

[concerned about politics]

all too soon, He will move to cleanse the land. Perhaps fire and brimstone or maybe.....!

The falling away of California. The angel will put one foot on the land, and one foot in the sea. He will cry out "There will be no more delay."
God will not be mocked.
It will cause the ocean to rise, because the state of California will go under water. The water would cover the lower half of Texas, the lower half of Florida, the states around the great lakes, and half the east coast. NY up will be lost to the ocean.
Ironic. All the liberal areas will be lost to the ocean. The country will be cleansed.

It will also cause massive flooding around the world, because the earth will rock to and fro. The ice caps will start to melt.

[concerned about politics]

PS...We are right now seeing the homosexuals re-living Romans I. They are infecting each other with disease. There's worse diseases to come. One will wipe out 1/3 of the earths population because the world is no longer following natures law. It will be passed onto heterosexuals via bisexuals that involve themselves with multiple partners.
California will follow Sodom and Gomorrah. The homosexual and sexual revolution movement started in Hollywood. Through TV, it spread around the world.

"Blessed are those who read aloud or hear the words of this prophecy and observe the things written in it, for the appointed time is near. Comfort one another with these words."

[little jeremiah]

Homosexual Agenda Ping - some action to take. Especially for those of us in CA.

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(Thanks for pinging me, I_Love_My_Husband!)
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[little jeremiah]

Interesting. So to you, homosexuality is strictly the act, not the attraction.

People are not their desires. Humans have all kinds of desires, thoughts and attractions flowing through their minds - good ones, bad ones, conflicting ones, crazy ones. Being human means learning to DISCRIMINATE - yes, discriminate - between the various thoughts, desires, and attractions; to act on the beneficial, good ones, and to ignore or kick out the wrong ones.

If mere desires made a person, we'd all be adulterers, murderers, and many of us would be "homosexual". And another thing, with all the crap on TV and in movies, no wonder more people have "gay" thoughts occasionally.

Luckily, I don't have TV and rarely watch movies. I am careful about what gets recorded into my mind!

Another point is that the more we act on a desire, it creates a "groove" in our mind, so that desire gets stronger. The more we entertain that thought, the stronger it gets. So if a person thinks he or she might be "gay", and reads or watches "gay" porn, hangs out with "gays" and listens to them talk about it, and then tries it, voila! He or she "IS" gay!

[little jeremiah]

I do believe this one smells like a troll, talks like a troll, and walks like a troll.

What do you think, concerned?

[little jeremiah]

It sounds and smells like a lot of other ones before it (or were they "other" ones?). It won't listen to reason, it has a smarmy in-your-face sliminess which is very indicative of troll status, and funny thing - it only posted two comments since registering on FR before this very thread.

Odd, don't you think?