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GOP Infighting Fills Our Enemies with Joy ((The Stupid Party getting even stupider)
The Times-Picayune [New Orleans] ^ | February 12, 2004 | James Lileks [Newhouse News Service]

Posted on 02/12/2004 7:32:47 AM PST by quidnunc

Let's just be blunt: The North Koreans would love to see John Kerry win the election. The mullahs of Iran would love it. The Syrian Baathists would sigh with relief. Every enemy of America would take great satisfaction if the electorate rejects the Bush doctrine and scuttles back to hide under the U.N. Security Council's table. It's a hard question, but the right one: Which candidate does our enemy want to lose? George W. Bush.

And some conservatives will be happy to help, it seems.

Woe and gloom have befallen some on the right. Bush has failed to act according to The Reagan Ideal.

The actual Reagan may have issued an amnesty for illegals, but the Ideal Reagan would have done no such thing. So unless Bush packs freight cars full of gardeners and dishwashers and dumps them off at the Mexican border, some voters will just sit this one out.

The Ideal Reagan would have eliminated the National Endowment for the Arts; the actual Reagan proposed a $1 million increase in his final budget. But Bush increased NEA funding. So angry conservatives might just sit this one out.

And if a Democrat takes office, and the Michael Moores and Rob Reiners and Martin Sheens crowd the airwaves on Nov. 3 to shout their howls of vindication? If the inevitable renaissance of Iraq happens on Kerry's watch, and the economy truly picks up steam in the first few years before the business cycle and Kerry's tax hikes kick in? If emboldened Islamist terrorists smell blood and strike again? Fine. Maybe the next Republican president will do everything they want.

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To: Howlin; quidnunc
And some conservatives will be happy to help, it seems

Yep, they are. Some folks are conservative because its the intelligent choice given so many valuable planks of the right-wing to individuals, society and America...... and because the right has overall moral coherency threaded throughout.

And then there are conservatives who seem as if they were simply lucky enough to have been born to a conservative family but are just as stupid, arrogant and with a sense of entitlement about their OWN pet causes as the rabid lefties. And they'll happily sink the entire right if their OWN pet causes aren't pandered to enough. Morons.

141 posted on 02/12/2004 11:15:40 AM PST by Tamzee (EARTH FIRST!!! We'll stripmine the other planets later...)
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To: Howlin
So...now is a bad time to bring up Elian? :)
142 posted on 02/12/2004 11:16:18 AM PST by lepton
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To: quidnunc
It was Wesley Pruden (or maybe Emmett Tyrell) who a number of years ago tagged the GOP as the Stupid Party for it's infighting during the Clinton administration.

I seem to remember Joseph Sobran using it very early on.

143 posted on 02/12/2004 11:20:53 AM PST by lepton
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To: swampfox98
What are we conservatives supposed to say when we have been betrayed beyond reason?

I dunno. Maybe I'll think of something when something like that actually happens.

144 posted on 02/12/2004 11:31:21 AM PST by alnick
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To: Howlin
The operative words in 124 = "We have issues"
145 posted on 02/12/2004 11:51:43 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: WayneM
...neither the Ideal Reagan nor the Actual Reagan would have issued a second amnesty after 15 years of seeing the destructive results of the first one-time only amnesty.

Stated with such certitude. But you KNOW this how, exactly? The facts are that Pres. Reagan DID promote and sign the first-ever bona fide amnesty for illegal aliens in American history. He did. You can't run from it. You can't hide from it. Signing the Immigration and Naturalization Reform Act of 1986 was a major blunder by a conservative president. It was the crack that broke the dam and transformed what had been a comparative trickle into a flood. It also set a precedent. The way our system works, once a precedent is set, it can be used as an excuse to do the same thing over and over again. This is one of the negative parts of Pres. Reagan's otherwise sterling legacy.

Despite what those who have been screeching about this issue claim, what Pres. Bush proposed is NOT an amnesty. It is somewhat of a return to the old Bracero program, and an attempt — a flawed one in my opinion, but nevertheless an attempt — to find a way to identify and track the illegals currently in this country. It's flaw, again in my opinion, is that the bill fails to provide for a serious effort to control our borders.

Nevertheless, the President has focused attention on a very difficult and important issue. He did so knowing the screaming he'd get from the right. He also did so knowing the issue has to be confronted because it's a matter of national security. Anyone who has an opinion on this issue has the opportunity to influence any legislation that makes its way through Congress.

I urge anyone opposed to this legislation to use their time more productively than just huffing and puffing all over the internet. Either join or form a coalition to defeat it outright, or to modifiy it so that it becomes a beneficial piece of legislation. Anyone who spouts off passionately about this or any issue on the internet, but who otherwise refuses to get of his or her butt and work on influencing the legislation, is a phony warrior.

146 posted on 02/12/2004 11:55:58 AM PST by Wolfstar (A self-confident cowboy nation, or a Kerrified nation. Your choice.)
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To: Wolfstar
Stated with such certitude. But you KNOW this how, exactly?

I know it because President Reagan said it was a one-time deal. If Ronald Reagan said it, it was true.
147 posted on 02/12/2004 12:03:58 PM PST by WayneM (Cut the KRAP (Karl Rove Amnesty Plan). Call your elected officials and say "NO!!")
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To: swampfox98
when others on FR tell the truth about some of his policies

I guess you forgot to put the IN MY OPINION in there, right?

The truth, as you see it, looks mighty circumspect to a lot of us.

148 posted on 02/12/2004 12:09:22 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
"Look, whether you like it or not, Bush is Bush; your whining is not going to change.
The Republican Party has ONE CANDIDATE this year, the year of our Lord, 2004.
We ARE going to elect him to the White House.
If you choose not to help, fine.
But, for the love of God, STOP FIGHTING US.
He IS the candidate, period.
And if you don't want to vote for him, fine; go find yourselves another candidate and vote for him.
BUT GET OUT OF THE WAY -- we are NOT going to sit here and let you people hand this country back over to the Democrats so they can destroy our security.
Period."

Isn't it odd how the "principled" conservatives aren't content with just not voting for President Bush ? If they mean the President no harm why don't they just speak their minds and then drop it ? But, noooooo, they're here everyday, peevishly repeating themselves ad naseaum. Obviously, the validation they'd hoped to receive for their "principled" conservative position isn't happening. If I were a skeptical person, I might think its really about them instead of ther "principles".

Frankly, I don't see a dime's worth of difference in democrats like Kerry, McAuliffe, Gore, Clinton and the 'principled' conservatives. They all proclaim their "patriotism" out of one side of their mouth while deliberately distorting the President's every action out of the other side. Should one or both succeed the end result is the same... a democrat in the White House and an open invitaton to every murdering, bloodthirsty terrorist around the world. So there is zero difference.

149 posted on 02/12/2004 12:09:57 PM PST by Darlin' ("I will not forget this wound to my country." President George W Bush, 20 Sept 2001)
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To: lepton
I'll be glad to discuss Elian; he's not running for anything......LOL.
150 posted on 02/12/2004 12:12:37 PM PST by Howlin
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To: anniegetyourgun
Major!
151 posted on 02/12/2004 12:13:49 PM PST by Howlin
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To: WayneM
Rhetoric only. It was something he could never guarantee, because HE set the precedent by agreeing to the first illegla amnesty in American history. That is the truth. Deal with it.
152 posted on 02/12/2004 12:16:11 PM PST by Wolfstar (A self-confident cowboy nation, or a Kerrified nation. Your choice.)
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To: quidnunc
The republicans stood up to Clinton, and I think they would stand up to Kerry.
153 posted on 02/12/2004 12:24:01 PM PST by N3WBI3
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To: deport
The drumbeat about Amnesty is wasted effort because if you believe the Congress critters it isn't going to happen. However assuming it would surface then it will have to be developed or modified in the Congress not by the President. Yet there are tons of expended energy on that subject here which could be better put to replacing some of the Critters in the Primaries that are currently occurring. So imo if you want to move the conservative ball down the field then spend the effort to change the parts that have the longest lasting impact or control and doesn't have a shorter built in change of four or eight years.

This is what I did in 2002 when I served as Assistant Campaign Manager for the Jim Behnke for Congress campaign in his primary challenge against RINO Jim Kolbe. This is also what I'm going to do when I serve on the campaign of the, as yet, unannounced campaign in another primary challenge against RINO Jim Kolbe in 2004.

In the meantime, I'm going to exert whatever pressure I can to support the good and stop the bad policies of President Bush and the Republicans in Congress. These are the guys in charge right now. What am I going to do when a bad bill gets passed and signed into law by the President? Blame the Democrats!? Is it the Democrats' fault that the government has been spending like a drunken sailor? I expect more from Republican representatives and that is why when they screw up they tend to get the brunt of my dissatisfaction.

154 posted on 02/12/2004 12:26:48 PM PST by Spiff (Have you committed a random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: Wolfstar
I urge anyone opposed to this legislation to use their time more productively than just huffing and puffing all over the internet. Either join or form a coalition to defeat it outright, or to modifiy it so that it becomes a beneficial piece of legislation. Anyone who spouts off passionately about this or any issue on the internet, but who otherwise refuses to get of his or her butt and work on influencing the legislation, is a phony warrior.

Some of us are working all the time on this issue. See my previous post.

155 posted on 02/12/2004 12:29:08 PM PST by Spiff (Have you committed a random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: Howlin
Would that be the self serving / short sighted prescription drug benefit, the self serving and short sighted two thirds increase in education spending, the self serving short sighted refusal to enforce our borders, the self serving short sighted extension on the assault weapons ban, or the self serving short sighted spending (which exceeded anything Clinton ever asked for)?

Seriously bush is a moderate who wants the left to love him, so he drastically increases spending, gives out the biggest entitlement (prescription drugs) in my life time (Yet something else I will eventually have to pay for), and he has done little to nothing to enforce states rights or the second amendment. I have never seen anyone here dispute that if Clinton tried to do half the stuff Bush has the Republicans in Congress would shut him down..

156 posted on 02/12/2004 12:31:02 PM PST by N3WBI3
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To: quidnunc
Oh, sure, Bush is fine on the foreign affairs stuff, and yes, there's a partial-birth abortion law, and the tax cuts were nice, and come to think of it, Sept. 11 wasn't followed by blow after blow after blow, for some reason. The nation endures, at least at press time. But that's hardly enough. Where's that bill requiring 60-foot Ten Commandments monuments in every capitol rotunda? Let Kerry win. Teach the GOP a lesson, it will.

Lileks-Nails-It-Once-Again BUMP! :)

157 posted on 02/12/2004 12:31:45 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
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To: CA Conservative; RockyMtnMan
I think he's saying that it's your fault that the grocery store has bad veggies.

Perhaps he's one of these organic freaks who think everyone should have a garden.

Possibly a member of PETA also. They're big on veggies.

Because of NAFTA and cheap Mexican migrant pickers we have great veggies in the grocery stores in Texas.

158 posted on 02/12/2004 12:32:09 PM PST by bayourod ( Kerry's 1st wife: $250M; 2nd wife: $700M; Mistress: priceless.)
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To: Howlin
Ignoring the fact more than 1/5 people here are so disgusted with bush they plan on voting for someone else....
159 posted on 02/12/2004 12:33:15 PM PST by N3WBI3
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To: rintense
The republicans pulled Clinton to the right (welfoare reform, and kept his spending down)....
160 posted on 02/12/2004 12:35:41 PM PST by N3WBI3
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