The Milosevic trial is a travesty

The Guardian (UK) ^ | Thursday February 12, 2004 | Neil Clark

[Int]

Milosevic trial transcripts

[mylife]

Doe's this mean that Clinton lied about our reasons for going to war? ;^)

[Brimack34]

Yes Clinton did lie and he dodged the draft lie under oath defiled the oral office sold secrets allowed other countries to have nukes and assaulted women and pardoned criminals. But that pales to Pres. Bush and Viet Nam (LOL)

[duckln]

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A good wrap up as most followers of this fiasco would agree. Shame on US talk radio and espescially Rush Limbaugh for not shinning the light of truth on this blatantly corrupt 'tribunal'.

It's the final blow in the sellout of Serbia to the EU and the Islamists.

[montag813]

The US has already ensured that it will not be subject to that court's jurisdiction

Why can't Serbia do the same, so Milosevic can take the next train to Belgrade? What a Stalinist kangaroo court.

[DTA]

...Del Ponte has been working backwards - making charges and then trying to find evidence.

TEAR DOWN THIS HAGUE CIRCUS MR BUSH !

LET THE CLOWN ROAM FREE

[SierraWasp]

You mean... As in "WAG THE DOG?"

[SierraWasp]

So, there was a little "ethnic cleansing" in Bosnia and Serbia. We preform "rural cleansing" in this country every danged day!!!

[vpintheak]

Another reason not to have Saddam tried by an international court.

[AmericanVictory]

It also illustrates the folly of relying on our continental European "allies."

[endthematrix]

Ever read other stuff from Neil Clark? He hits the nail on the head many times, however the fact he he has written for Antiwar.com will have send many FReepers in a Anti-DemoRAT, Socialist, Anarchist tirade. The fact is how many in POWER now has called the shots in the former Yugo?

[Brian Allen]

<< Doe's this mean that Clinton lied about our reasons for going to war? ;^) >>

Yes it does.

[Surprise! Surprise!]

As, least we ever forget, did his former Neo-Axis co-founder cobber, the overall execrable "third-way" Tiny Blair and their then perfumed-princeling 'general' and sometimes "DemocRAT," Waco-Wesley "Delta" KKKlark.

And every other EURO-peon-Neo-Soviet Neo-Axis/NATO cohort contributor to that tawdry tangle of picked-up-where-Hitler-left-off pro-islamofascistic anti-Christian-Serbia atrocities.

Blessings -- Brian

[endthematrix]

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[JCB]

The lack of evidence to back up charges against Slobo is indeed a major story. Yet this Guardian hack uses the old Socialist line by chalking up the biased proceedings to: "the economic and military interests of the planet's most powerful nations."

Bull! Slobo will be convicted despite any lack of evidence to tie him to certain crimes because the UN/NATO court already hailed his arrest as justice for the butcher of the Balkans. After such pronounciations how could they just let him go?

"Milosevic is in the dock for getting in the way of those interests..."

I'm sick of ancient regional ethnic conflics being blamed on 'Western interests.' No multi-national corporation or agency forced paramilitary squads to kill innocent people! It was the fault of nationalist leaders and military forces and no one else. This constant abdication of guilt and responsibility in order to blame the shadowy "powers that be"...typical lefty nonsense.

[greenwolf]

Doe's this mean that Clinton lied about our reasons for going to war?

You could say that. Kosovo was about removing the Juanita Broaddrick storyy from American newspapers and television. Milosevic is guilty of trying to protect his nation from the IMF and from the Albanian narco-savages and there isn't really much else he's guilty of.

[suekas]

If Milosevic, was so guilty, the press would be covering this trial every night, on the news. It seemed to me, at the time of the war, that most of the acts of mass murder, occured, after we started bombing.

[DTA]

>>>>>>I'm sick of ancient regional ethnic conflics being blamed on 'Western interests.<<<<<

If there were no interests, why Germany and United States meddled into the Balkan mess before the hell broke loose, while the hell was raging and after the peace has setled?

To point to the most obvious:

1. Forcible change of Yugoslavia borders was approved by international community led by Germany and the U.S. although it was against Helsinki accord. Both Germany and U.S. were signatories of Helsinki accord.

2. U.S. Ambassador Warren Zimermann persuaded Bosnian Muslim leader to retract signature on a EU-brokered peace plan and as a result Bosnian civil war broke out

3. PR firms such as Rudder Fin and Hill & Knowlton were given permission by US DOS to accept one side of Balkan conflict as a client and refuse the other. As a result, the most vile smear campaign ensued, fanning the flames of Balkan conflict ("genocide" "holocaust" "belsen in bosnia" "death camps"

4. Clinton administration sided with Iranian Mullahs to secretly arm islamists in Bosnia. US military cargo planes were used to haul arms to Bosnia in breach of UN EMBARGO

5. NATO bombed Bosnian Serbs although Bosnia is not NATO member country nor attacking another NATO country. It was against NATO charter.

6. Clinton administration was behind the largest ethnic cleansing of the 1990's , expulsion of more than 250,000 Serbs from Krajina region in 1995.

7. Clinton administration armed and equipped terrorists in Kosovo in a bid to provoke war.

8. Clinton administration deliberatelly caused war over Kosovo under false pretense of "humanitarian intervention"

9. International community condones ethnic cleansing in Kosovo and violation of human rights of all non-albanian citizens in Kosovo province.

10. Last but not least, support to jaundiced justice of the Hague, instead of trial of criminals in domestic courts ensures the ethnic hatreds will continue in the next generation.

When all else fails, follow the money. So far, more than 100 Billion was spent to stabilize Bosnia, and bilions were spent for destruction of Serbia infrastructure. All this expense could be saved if there was no meddling from the outside. No one spends billions without having good reason. if they do, please let me know, I could put a billion or two to good use.

[JCB]

"If there were no interests, why Germany and United States meddled into the Balkan mess before the hell broke loose, while the hell was raging and after the peace has setled?"

Because if no one "meddles" and all hell breaks loose then everyone turns around and says "Why didn't we do anything?" To suggest that Yugoslavia was of huge economic interest is beyond absurd.

"Forcible change of Yugoslavia borders was approved by international community led by Germany and the U.S. although it was against Helsinki accord. Both Germany and U.S. were signatories of Helsinki accord."

Croats and Muslims wanted to leave Yugoslavia and Serbs didn't. Their differences were irreconcileable regardless of what any outsider said or did. To blame it all on others is to deflect attention away from those who used violence to achieve their aims.

"U.S. Ambassador Warren Zimermann persuaded Bosnian Muslim leader to retract signature on a EU-brokered peace plan and as a result Bosnian civil war broke out"

The Croats withdrew their signature first, Muslims second. In fact there are some who claim that nothing was actually signed at all - merely an agreement to talk some more. The Serbs were laying claim to Bihac for God's sake! How do you think a workable agreement was in place?

"PR firms such as Rudder Fin and Hill & Knowlton were given permission by US DOS to accept one side of Balkan conflict as a client and refuse the other. As a result, the most vile smear campaign ensued, fanning the flames of Balkan conflict ("genocide" "holocaust" "belsen in bosnia" "death camps""

There were many exagerations in the war - but the Serbs lost their own PR war by seizing 2/3 of Bosnia and cleansing the East and North. That's what won the Muslims so much sympathy, not Rudder Finn.

"Clinton administration sided with Iranian Mullahs to secretly arm islamists in Bosnia. US military cargo planes were used to haul arms to Bosnia in breach of UN EMBARGO"

If there's no UN embargo leaving the Muslims almost defenceless against the JNA-backed Serbs then there's no Iranian arms shipments. Sorry if the USA didn't allow the Serbs to dominate the battlefield!

"NATO bombed Bosnian Serbs although Bosnia is not NATO member country nor attacking another NATO country. It was against NATO charter."

UN did bugger all so it was left to NATO. Speasking of which, Serb aid to the war in Bosnia (weapons, Arkan etc)was technically illegal as well.

"Clinton administration was behind the largest ethnic cleansing of the 1990's , expulsion of more than 250,000 Serbs from Krajina region in 1995."

Could have sworn those were Croat troops who carried out Operation Storm. Guess they were actually Marines. Croats were going to invade Krajina regardless of Clinton's green light. 200,000+ troops had massed since 1992 for the attack. You seem to think that no one in the Balkans was able to make any decisions on their own without permission from the USA or Germany. Lack of permissiom sure didn't stop the Serbs from doing what they wanted and it wouldn't have stopped the Croats either. USA wanted a balance of power and so they backed the Croats. Doesn't mean it wouldn't have happened regardless. A violent end to the Croatian stalemate was inevitable.

"Clinton administration armed and equipped terrorists in Kosovo in a bid to provoke war"

Bull. Weapons came from Albania and exiles in the Weat. I've seen no proof of US-government sanctioned aid. Serb oppression of Albanians was all the need the KLA needed to pick a fight. Again you pretend that the policies and actions of the participants was of no influence on the war.

"Clinton administration deliberatelly caused war over Kosovo under false pretense of "humanitarian intervention"

They went in to prevent another Bosnia and the whining that would come with not stepping in were it to happen. You probably think it was to build pipelines and open Starbucks.

"International community condones ethnic cleansing in Kosovo and violation of human rights of all non-albanian citizens in Kosovo province."

You can't police 100% of the place and eliminate ethnic hatreds that stem from a long history of bloody conflict and animosity. Again, to blame it all on the West is overy simplistic but convenient for Serb nationalists who want no responsibility for what happened.

"Last but not least, support to jaundiced justice of the Hague, instead of trial of criminals in domestic courts ensures the ethnic hatreds will continue in the next generation."

They kill eachother to the tune of 60,000-100,000 and hatred will continue because of a UN/NATO trial. Uh huh.

"When all else fails, follow the money. So far, more than 100 Billion was spent to stabilize Bosnia, and bilions were spent for destruction of Serbia infrastructure. All this expense could be saved if there was no meddling from the outside. No one spends billions without having good reason. if they do, please let me know, I could put a billion or two to good use."

Yup, the West started at least three wars so they could blow $100 billion+ just for the hell of it. It's not the West's fault that some wanted independence and some didn't.

Take some responsibility for your own actions!

[vooch]

The Bush White House called for the ICTY farce to be shut down as soon as possible (I believe they called for this in 2001)